Does anyone still think the old time heavyweights were too small to be competitive in the modern era?

[IronDanHamza]

he threw 116 punches in the 8th round with Don ****ell. I said 130, but was wrong, but 116 is still an absurdly high number. please have a look for yourself.

This might be the record, esp considering they were full on punches. I am sure a guy like Greb threw more.

So why do you keep saying things that aren't true? You said 130+, not 130. It's a running theme, if you weren't corrected on all these things you'd run with them.

You're saying 116 might be a record but you've also said in this thread that he often threw 100-120 punches per round.

The whole narrative you're attempted to push, is often based on fantasy. That's the point.

[them_apples]

So why do you keep saying things that aren't true? You said 130+, not 130. It's a running theme, if you weren't corrected on all these things you'd run with them.

You're saying 116 might be a record but you've also said in this thread that he often threw 100-120 punches per round.

The whole narrative you're attempted to push, is often based on fantasy. That's the point.

doesn't matter I said I was wrong. but let's talk about the facts. he threw 116 punches. I sourced it. that is INSANE

Don't bring up the 130 comment again I said I was wrong. I want to keep this factual. 116 is an incredible number. ALMOST 1 punch per second.

100-120 punches per round might be true, I haven't counted all his fights punch counts. I would not be surprised at all if he frequently broke 100 punches at least. When he sense you were tired Marciano hit the gas pedal. Thats how he got you.

[Willie Pep 229]

I find it odd that Marciano would increase his running from 3/5 to 10/15 just two weeks before the fight.

This runs in contradiction to the manner in which both long distance runners and boxers approach roadwork when closing in on the race/fight.

Conventual wisdom usually dictates:

Long distance runners: Training reduces in the final 2-3 weeks before the race to allow full recovery and peak performance.

Boxers: Boxers ease up their training in the final 1-2 weeks before a fight, a process similar to a runner’s taper before a marathon. This is called the tapering phase and is designed to allow the body to recover fully while maintaining peak performance for the fight.

I don't see Marciano increasing his roadwork to such an extreme right before a fight.

P.S. I have no opinion on how much he ran. I am ignorant of that. But if he was doubling his mileage two weeks before the fight he was operating way outside of the norm.

[Bronson66]

doesn't matter I said I was wrong. but let's talk about the facts. he threw 116 punches. I sourced it. that is INSANE

Don't bring up the 130 comment again I said I was wrong. I want to keep this factual. 116 is an incredible number. ALMOST 1 punch per second.

100-120 punches per round might be true, I haven't counted all his fights punch counts. I would not be surprised at all if he frequently broke 100 punches at least. When he sense you were tired Marciano hit the gas pedal. Thats how he got you.

You're a good poster,but you do get carried away at times.
How many complete fights of Marciano have you seen?
Did you count many punches he threw in them? Marciano was dog tired in a couple of fights and commentators mentioned it,he was always in great condition but most of his major fights were against older past prime guys,wouldn't you expect him to outwork them?

[Bronson66]

I didn't say he ran 15 miles the entire camp. wasn't his camp like 3-4 months long? (or something absurd)

I said he was running 12-15 miles per day IN camp.

sure I could narrow it down to the peak of camp, but you are grasping at straws. this isn't worth an argument. What do you want me to say?

Bronson goes and posts the one part he likes: Marciano ran 3-5 miles a day in during camp. And he left it at that. That would be a very misleading bit of information, to only post his workouts at the beginning of camp.

As for Sourcing the punches. I counted myself. I know in some rounds against ****ell he threw 130+ punches. Go count yourself.

As for Rock being 255, he was husky and heavy, fat. Not obese though.

No,it is you who continually seizes on snippets and turns them into part of a regular daily training regime,when there is zero evidence for it!

Marciano NEVER daily ran15 miles which is what you originally stated.
Marciano NEVER regularly threw100/150 punches a round which is also what you stated.
I posted the record for punches thrown and that was combined between them[Tua vIbeabuchi] not individually!

Obese=Fat.
It's okay to have heroes when you are a child,but as the saying goes,when you are a man you put away childish things.

[them_apples]

You're a good poster,but you do get carried away at times.
How many complete fights of Marciano have you seen?
Did you count many punches he threw in them? Marciano was dog tired in a couple of fights and commentators mentioned it,he was always in great condition but most of his major fights were against older past prime guys,wouldn't you expect him to outwork them?

No he wasnā€™t dog tired. The commentators just said he was.

you get carried away too. Like right there

[them_apples]

You're a good poster,but you do get carried away at times.
How many complete fights of Marciano have you seen?
Did you count many punches he threw in them? Marciano was dog tired in a couple of fights and commentators mentioned it,he was always in great condition but most of his major fights were against older past prime guys,wouldn't you expect him to outwork them?

How can you in your right mind go and make a statement saying all Marciano did was run 3-5 miles in camp for conditioning. Then source it - but conveniently leave out the fact that he ramps it up to 15 miles. How is that being honest if we are discussing boxing in a forum?

[Bronson66]

How can you in your right mind go and make a statement saying all Marciano did was run 3-5 miles in camp for conditioning. Then source it - but conveniently leave out the fact that he ramps it up to 15 miles. How is that being honest if we are discussing boxing in a forum?

You say he ramps it up to 15 miles as though he always did that but there is no indication he ever did!
You originally began by assuring us he did 15 miles daily!
Don't talk to us about honesty!

[billeau2]

Marciano at 187 was the product of extreme hard work and discipline. In retirement he was over 255 lbs and was never actually āfat?like someone today.

when people say he is 187 and too small I laugh at this notion because his light weight is a product of his training.

who in any world is 240 lbs while running 12-15 miles in boots every morning, on top of a whole days work of training. Itās like saying the 237 lb version of Ali that fought Shavers has a chance against Fury but the 210 lb version in his prime is simply too small.

Marcianos last 4 rounds in a 15 rounder involved him throwing over 100-120 punches a round. In the heavyweight division this is brutal to crank the pace like this in the late rounds. Nothing can overcome this but conditioning alone.

I just donāt understand how he gets written off for his weight but everything else he does getās thrown at the wayside.

regardless of the Louis age, if he is 218 and Marciano is 184 - Marciano is giving up so much weight he shouldnāt be big enough to beat Louis let alone outgun him with relative easy. Louis was the one who stated himself that Marciano was as strong as a bull.

Yes the real issue to me is preference versus biology...

[ShoulderRoll]

Stephen “Breadman” Edwards made this comment in his Mailbag this week:


“I am glad Usyk won because I have always maintained that Ali, Louis and Holyfield would be fine in this era and many disagreed. Now that a 6’3, 225lb ex-cruiserweight is the best heavyweight of this era, my theory proves correct.”