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  • !!! JJ would definitely fufil Mitts criteria... In Spades! JJ was thought to have been a major contributor to developing the jab from the lead (through pronation and mobility), to parrying actions which were very vital to preclassical boxing and... somewhat relevant to Modern boxing... Jones used JJ's...
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  • AJ Stans will do anything to avoid the undeniable fact that AJ, like Parker (up until this point) and virtually any other heavyweight have all fought a mean, a sampling, of the general heavyweight landscape, or... have not been able to beat an elite heavyweight. I would even go so far as to call a prospect...
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  • No... You have to consider both because there is something to be said to handling competition flawlessly. A fighters BEST win means very little when the competition reflects the mean and not a major jump in the level of fighter beat. Zhang is a big slow fighter who throws one punch a round... And Ortiz...
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  • Your post brings up an interesting issue: An analogy would be... Picasso Cubist, very abstract piece of work. Someone does not care for it and characterizes Pablo, whereupon someone else states the following: "You may not care for the Cubist works of Picasso but his capability to paint, including...
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  • Your opinion about Robinson is thought out. It makes sense. My understanding of defense is a little different. I believe at some point a good defense becomes an offensive measure. If my opponent knows I will not hurt him he has no incentive to not go after me at will. To me this is primary. So to me...
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  • See that is more like it! Let's say we take today's parker, considered his best... squarely between some twilight of youth and the wisdom to put it all together, versus a similar version of Ortiz... People can agree to disagree but the fact is anyone with sense would accept this is a close fight and...
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  • unfortunately like a good deal of Cuban fighters we never got to see a prime Ortiz......
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  • Regardless... if we look at Joyce and Ortiz: Joyce had a gimmick. It took a while, given the general level of comp for fighters to figure out Joyce (and Kolnawski) for that matter... Ortiz had footwork, a jab and power. As you suggest he fought well against Wilder....
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  • Listen idiot... If you tell me Jimmy Young beat better fighters than Vlad Klitsko it means a lot to me... It happens to be true and can be shown any number of ways... But when you tell me the generic aspirin is not the same as Bayer aspirin? I am going to call you on it. Your means of distinguishing...
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  • Because you do not count losses ful! What about Joyce? What about Joyce before he started losing fights? Big difference right? ful... Ortiz did not falter until AFTER the Wilder fights... He beat all the opponents faced out of a pool of opponents who constituted the same skill level as those men fought...
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  • I explained very clearly why I voted for Ortiz... And I also presented a caveat. Your idea of "better wins" is a falsehood based on subjective rankings. You also do not talk about losses.

    I don't prop up any fighter, I look and evaluate based on technical skills, competition,...
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  • Again who gives a shiat about ring rankings? You a ful!!! They are subjective! Prove me wrong!

    I realize levels of competition... Do you realize subjective measures?

    Martin and Kowalski are part of the landscape of heavyweights... They do suck but so do the others which is...
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  • billeau2
    replied to Prime Liston rate him HTH
    Prolly the case that the "Mother" instilled enough in Sonny that he was able to know love... Yes he did follow her, and she may have been a saving grace....
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  • billeau2
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    . Female comic gets on the stage... "Have no luck with guys, they all slip away...Had a boyfriend, would steal my things to buy drugs, put me in all kinds of danger...Yes ladies a REAL KEEPER!"...
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  • billeau2
    replied to Prime Liston rate him HTH
    You know, you guys really could meet in the middle on this... It is documented to an extent (realistically this "extent" would be sans a birthdate for Liston) that Liston's father was abusive and mistreated him. According to Liston he left home for St Louis to live with an aunt because of...
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  • billeau2
    replied to Prime Liston rate him HTH
    Geez thats funny cause when I have turd duty, picking up after my two dogs, I usually have a riveting conversation with Money Man... as he crinkles up (he is a bag after all) and in a deep falsetto screed demands "feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed meeeee!" then the turd is summerily dropped to the sounds...
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  • billeau2
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    Hyperbole does risk that which is sobering and true... It should definitely be noted that according to Sony, who was matter of fact, his father was indeed abusive... every day? who knows, though I do believe there is a quote from Liston that it was a daily occurance. It should also be noted that rural...
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  • Regardless, they shouldn't. Every fighter has a duty to their kin, to their self, and lastly, to the fans, to not put themselves in an untenable position....
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  • [QUOTE=Bronson66;n32409408]
    We can break it down to one sentence that explains Berberbiev's sensible conclusion, and his brilliantly honest answer.

    At Heavyweight and Cruiserweight, Usyk is too big and strong for me.

    This will be denied by certain posters here , and ,because...
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  • billeau2
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    If she wants entertainment? Foreman Lyle, the Gatti Ward trilogy (any fight),...
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