My Opinion on Sonny Liston

[Willie Pep 229]

Tucker proved he could go 12 rounds with a big puncher (Tyson) and he stood eye to eye with Big George, so it is unlikely Foreman could have bullied him around eg. Frazier.

I'd say he had a good shot of winning a decision but it is Foreman and that means one punch can end it.
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[Willie Pep 229]

I did something I never did before. I flagged the guy. I hope they notice it and ban this fool....

[Willie Pep 229]

Good. Watch it without looking up the result. Some of the best back and forth fighting you will ever see.

And you won't be able to predict the winner until well into the bout.

Don't look up the results.

You will see one of the greatest fights, prize fighting ever...

[Willie Pep 229]

I hold no opinion on Sonny Liston anymore than I do on Marciano or Louis.

He appeared on the cusp of my knowledge. I was 10 years old, watching and understanding my first fight. I saw Liston lay down against Ali in Lewiston.

Everything else about 'Liston' is history to me,...

[Willie Pep 229]

No! Why do posters always go with that troupe?

I have no opinion on Liston. I don't think much of your hyperbole, really nothing to do with Liston.

I don't believe the child was beaten EVERYDAY of his life or treated like a beast.

I like to keep the historical...

[Willie Pep 229]

I am not an admirer. But that has nothing to do with tempering your hyperbole.

We don't know if he was an abused child. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't.

There is no doubt he had a tough childhood, but so did so many other Americans during those days.

No I never saw...

[Willie Pep 229]

Danny "Little Red" Lopez vs. Mike Ayala.

[Willie Pep 229]

Two marriages mixed family.

Everyday?

All farm children worked hard....

[Willie Pep 229]

Floyd Patterson taking out Charely "Devil" Green with a vicious body shot. MSG September 1970

Tony Zale was known for working the body, at least Graziano's body anyway.

Zale scored a solar plexus KO in fight 1 and set up the KO in fight 3 with a perfect right hand...

[Willie Pep 229]

You can add on 4 more stoppages by DQ. We know Wills was on his way down in '26 when he deliberately fouled his way out of the fight.

We (I) can't speak to the other three DQs. But too often fighters don't get credit for a stoppage because of fight circumstances, usually interference from...

[Willie Pep 229]

Mancini in the last three rounds of Bramble II. It must be hard to finish a15 rounder when your eyes are swelled shut by the 13th round. But he did. Lost a UD.

[Willie Pep 229]

The Walcott fight and Charles fights came after WWII

1. When Louis was legendary

2. They sill drew less than half the gate the Conn fight drew

3. The question at hand was why didn't Louis fight back contenders. We'll according to you he did, Walcott and Charles....

[Willie Pep 229]

Latin origin of penis is worm. The Latin origin of Vagina is sheathe (sword).

They were both euphemisms created by a ***ually nervous culture. Medicine just stole them and claimed them to be proper.

There must be something to 'original sin' because Mankind has always had a...

[Willie Pep 229]

No, actually seems correct. They got to leave the Latin alone or we got no word for it. LOL

Penis
vagina

**** . . . D ick
**** . . . C unt

**** . . . C ock
***** . . . P ussy

Say it in Latin and it don't sound dirty.

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[Willie Pep 229]

Jim Driscoll isn't 'a bit out of place' (that's polite of you) he is down right wrong.

I was jumping from page to page trying to find possibilities, and must have been on a different fighter's page when I thought I was on Porky Dan's.

Just plain wrong.

So I am...

[Willie Pep 229]

A bit cherry picked, no?

The only fight that has Tate listed at 230 Ibs. has Langford at 190.

They fought many times, and yes Langford has a stoppage over Tate but it is early in their battles and in the end Tate has more wins than Langford....

[Willie Pep 229]

Willie Meehan is a good guess too....

[Willie Pep 229]

1. Jim Driscoll [INCORRECT]
2. Battling Levinsky
3. Tommy Gibbons
4. Sam Langford
5. Joe Jeannette
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Kid Norfolk
8. Stanley Ketchel
9. Jack Dillion
10. Frank Klaus
11. ?
12. ?

It looks like I can't. I took a guess on Porky Dan, but I can't back it up, I am two short. Damn!...

[Willie Pep 229]

Porky Dan Flynn

[Willie Pep 229]

Why deliberately troll like that?

I simply don"t understand what people get out of it....