Does anyone still think the old time heavyweights were too small to be competitive in the modern era?

[them_apples]

Dempsey proved he could destroy bigger men by knocking out:

• 6â€?â€? 245 lbs Jess Willard
• 6â€?â€? 220 lbs Fred Fulton.
• 6â€?â€? 230 lbs Carl Morris

And his main sparring partner was Bill Tate, who was 6��and weighed between 220-240 lbs.

Oh dude I already know the weight would mean nothing. Dempsey was a big enough man - they just came in lighter back then because they viewed fighters as gladiators requiring stamina, speed and durability. Fighters were always trying to keep weight off.

it’s only in the TV era and the vanity based mentality that big muscles became such a selling point and every heavyweight wants to bulk up. It’s only when men became so obsessed with their looks that big muscles and blown up bodies became such a must have. We saw it early on with Ken Norton. His big over muscled body didn’t help him a lick besides picking up chicks and being popular with the media.

we got boatloads of evidence to show a fit 190 man can take down a larger man with ease. So much evidence. I don’t even argue to debate with people - I already know!

also, I did not know Dempsey possessed a roster of Kos vs all those guys. Thats impressive.

[Biledriver]

I mean they would not be in the top ten rankings in modren times. If they were they would of the top ten raninkgs in a fight or two.

^^^^^ I see Tunney 2.0 has a new alt. Excuse me while I ignore that one, too

[them_apples]

^^^^^ I see Tunney 2.0 has a new alt. Excuse me while I ignore that one, too

Why are these guys even on a history forum if they know so little about boxing and it’s history. They must think the 90s is oldschool.

[Biledriver]

Dempsey proved he could destroy bigger men by knocking out:

• 6’6”, 245 lbs Jess Willard
• 6’5”, 220 lbs Fred Fulton.
• 6’4’, 230 lbs Carl Morris

And his main sparring partner was Bill Tate, who was 6’7” and weighed between 220-240 lbs.

Give it time, someone will come along and move the goalposts.....

[them_apples]

Louis had two left feet, was easy to hit, chinny when hit flush and was nothing like Usyk. He is 1 shorter, had 2 inches less reach and fought at a good weight around 20-25 pounds less than Usyk.


He could not deal with a big man who could box, which the heavyweight division is full of from 2000-2025.
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this post is actually embarassing man. what are you judging this based off of? what lense?

If this fight ever took place, I'd bet my house, my car, my stocks, my ****** and my dog that Louis knocks him out lol

well maybe not quite that much, but you get the idea.

[The D3vil]

He didn't have the same medicine, so he was 205 and that's the only version you can use in these fantasy matchups. Even if you beg santa for a bigger Joe Louis, he didn't exist.

You also don't really understand how this works anyway, Bronson66 is already explaining to you how fighters grow into their size at a young age, and you don't understand that sudden mass gain affects your attributes. With your Louis fantasy, if he bulks up he will lose his entire foundation: footwork. Joe is already not the fastest mover so a bunch of bullk is gonna slow him down and he can no longer set his traps and offense. And he already got knocked down too many times as it is, with all that bulk to slow him down he's gonna be slower on his defence to block or move out of the way from punches. Boxing is not a numbers game, some guys don't get better by adding them size, and you're pretending Louis is the exact same fighter after balooning him up

Michael Spinks already showed everybody how to adjust to weight gains back in the '80s, remember???

And Joe Louis wouldn't just be suddenly gaining weight.

If we're bringing him into the future, that means he's living in the future.

His lifestyle & training would reflect him living in these times, hence more weight training.

Again, Michael Spinks figured this out in the '80s.

Hell, Joe Louis was 6'2" . Usyk is only one inch taller than he was.

Why is it possible for Usyk, who lives in these times to go from 200lbs a few years ago, to 235, but Joe Louis can't go from 195lbs to 220?

[The D3vil]

How does any of this fantasy babble change the fact Usyk is a not a “natural Middleweight” like you’ve laughably attempted to claim?

He was a middleweight when Shawn Porter beat him, when he was 19.

You know what the hell I was talking about, genius

[The D3vil]

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He looks just fine as he was to me!

That's all natural.

No nutritionists, personal trainers, or PEDs,

Imagine what he'd look like if he had those things, which modern fighters have.

[BKM-]

Michael Spinks already showed everybody how to adjust to weight gains back in the '80s, remember???

And Joe Louis wouldn't just be suddenly gaining weight.

If we're bringing him into the future, that means he's living in the future.

Who said bringing him into the future? Nobody said bring him into the future, the only ones doing that are you and Apple boy.

I guess you haven't been as long on fighting forums because you don't seem to realize how it's always been done in these threads. You pick a modern fighter and match him up against a fighter from the past exactly as they were. it was done that way in old "computer fights". In boxing m4gazines where they had fun matchups. etc.

Now, the fact that you have to do this "bring him into the future" tactic to make them bigger tells me you're already desperate. You're not very confident picking these small heavyweights against modern giants, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to blow them up in size to make things more competitive. It really tells me all I need to know.

[Bronson66]

You tried to pretend the regime I posted was Marciano's out of competition training. I told you it was his training for the first Walcott fight ,which it was.
You are doing,your usual, making little "additions".