Jeffries vs Foreman

[Dr. Z]

For the second time.I NEVER mentioned either Corbett or Fitzsimmons.
I stated Jeffries was
GUARANTEED MORE MONEY TO DEFEND AGAINST MCVEY AND MARTIN THAN HE RECEIVED FOR DEFENDING AGAINST BOTH MUNROE AND FINNEGAN AND I POSTED HIS PURSES FOR THOSE TWO JOKE DEFENCES!
DO YOU FINALLY GET THAT?
Jeffries purse for Finnegan was $1,800!
When Jeffries defended against Munroe, McVey was 20 years old I say McVey was a better opponent than Munroe do you dispute that?
I say Martin not MARTIAN lol ,was a better opponent for Jeffries than 4-2-4 Finnegan who had been ko'd in2 rds in his previous fight by Ruhlin.Do you dispute that?

You would not recognize a fact if it flew up and hit you in the face!

Produce this guarantee, and do not give me a simple news offering as that is not a guarantee.

When was Jeffries offered the Finnegan fight and when were the Martin and Mcvey fights offered?

[Bronson66]

Produce this guarantee, and do not give me a simple news offering as that is not a guarantee.

When was Jeffries offered the Finnegan fight and when were the Martin and Mcvey fights offered?

Jeffries turned down a $20,000 guarantee to fight Sam McVey in1903 .

Jeffries received $18.750 as his share of the purse for defending against Jack Munroe,a year later.



As usual,you have made a complete," see you next Tuesday",of yourself.
I know what Jeffries purses were for the Finnegan and Munroe Fights,I also know you DON'T!
Jeffries got $1.200 for fighting Finnegan,or as Pollack remarked $21.82 per second !

[Bronson66]

Produce this guarantee, and do not give me a simple news offering as that is not a guarantee.

When was Jeffries offered the Finnegan fight and when were the Martin and Mcvey fights offered?

Jeffries defended his title for the last time in1904 his purse was $ 18.500.
He was offered a guaranteed $20,000 to defend against McVey in1903 a year earlier it's in Pollacks Jeffries biography.I suggest you buy it and get informed on the subject,then perhaps you wont keep making such an ass of yourself?

Jeffries got $1.500 for defending against Finnegan, in1900

[Bronson66]

- - They were noobs to any sorta ratings. Sam Langford was the best blackfighter who took out a full newspaper page to announce he never fight Jeffries for the simple reason of being too good, too formidable.

Jeff was on a one a year defense schedule with his last 3 were Fitz, Corbett, and Munroe, the first two being far more Ring worthy than a JJohnson still getting his feet under him.

Jeff was ready for JJohnson until he stunk out the ring vs Hart, and so retired: "Veni, Vidi, Vici"...The End...

NOPE! Jeffries had his last fight as Champion in1904 Langford was a welterweight that year and still only weighed 156lbs in1906! 1906 was also the year Johnson beat the **** out of Langford, flooring him3 times for long 9 counts and breaking his nose."Johnson gave me the only real beating I ever took".Langford
Langford took out no advertisement, in1905 Sam Woodman, his manager challenged any heavyweight with the exception of Jeffries ,since Langford was some 70 plus lbs lighter than Jeffries at that time it is hardly surprising,he excluded Jeffries.
Please explain how 7-2-0 Munroe was a better opponent for Jeffries in1904 than Jack Johnson who had defeated
Childs x2
Martin x2
McVey x3
Russell
Ferguson
Gardner
Butler
????
Please further explain how 36 years old Corbett was a better opponent for Jeffries than Johnson?
Corbett had been retired for 3 years and had won just 1 fight in the previous 9 years!
Jeffries made a public statement saying, if Hart won and there was sufficient demand for the fight he would defend against him,adding,if Johnson won he would not fight him.

I CAME I SAW I CONQUERED.EXCEPT JEFFRIES NOT ONLY NEVER DEFENDED AGAINST A BLACK CHALLENGER HE NEVER FOUGHT THE BEST BLACK FIGHTERS OF HIS ERA
EG MARTIN,JOHNSON ,CHILDS, AND MCVEY.
SO IT COULD ACCURATELY BE SAID HE WAS ONLY EVER THE WHITE HEAVYEIGHT CHAMPION

NB We all know you are ******,you don't have to keep proving it every time you post here!

[JAB5239]

Jeffries turned down a $20,000 guarantee to fight Sam McVey in1903 .

Jeffries received $18.750 as his share of the purse for defending against Jack Munroe,a year later.



As usual,you have made a complete," see you next Tuesday",of yourself.
I know what Jeffries purses were for the Finnegan and Munroe Fights,I also know you DON'T!
Jeffries got $1.200 for fighting Finnegan,or as Pollack remarked $21.82 per second !

Ouch!!!

[Willie Pep 229]

Jeffries turned down a $20,000 guarantee to fight Sam McVey in1903 .

Jeffries received $18.750 as his share of the purse for defending against Jack Munroe,a year later.



As usual,you have made a complete," see you next Tuesday",of yourself.
I know what Jeffries purses were for the Finnegan and Munroe Fights,I also know you DON'T!
Jeffries got $1.200 for fighting Finnegan,or as Pollack remarked $21.82 per second !

Interesting article. Thank you for posting.

It is hard to believe that Jeffries would refer to Jack Johnson as a "little fellow'

I would argue Jeffries statement rings more as an avoidance of Jack Johnson, not McVea.

Jeffries remarks regarding McVea not being a 'championship possibility, is more than justifiable, it is correct.

The recent JJ-McVea fight, Jeffries refers to, is the October 27th fight, just a week before.

1. It was only McVea's 10 fight, resulting in McVea being 9-2-0 by the end.

2. The same newspaper The SF Call, said this about McVea's performance against Johnson:

"McVey - who was floored in rounds 1 and 6 - put up a plucky fight but was 'outgeneraled, outboxed and outclassed."

My opinion is . . . The McVea offer was just PR.

Jeffries had announced he would fight soon, so the Colma Athlethic Club took a shot and offered Jeffries, what they thought would be an easy fight. (That's a funny thing for me to say considering what McVea would become.)

But at that moment McVea with a 9-2-0 record, coming off a dismal performance, is in no way a serious challenger.

It was a PR move by thec AC, and they got lucky. Since Jeffries had no opponent to discuss, the sportswriter filled his column with the McVea offer. It was something to write about.

Hard to believe anyone was taking it seriously.

But on the other hand, the article makes me feel that Jeffries was more concerned about keeping JJ at arms length.

"Little fellow." How absurd! When you got a racist crowd you can say damn near anything, and get away with it.

[JAB5239]

Interesting article. Thank you for posting.

It is hard to believe that Jeffries would refer to Jack Johnson as a "little fellow'

I would argue Jeffries statement rings more as an avoidance of Jack Johnson, not McVea.

Jeffries remarks regarding McVea not being a 'championship possibility, is more than justifiable, it is correct.

The recent JJ-McVea fight, Jeffries refers to, is the October 27th fight, just a week before.

1. It was only McVea's 10 fight, resulting in McVea being 9-2-0 by the end.

2. The same newspaper The SF Call, said this about McVea's performance against Johnson:

"McVey - who was floored in rounds 1 and 6 - put up a plucky fight but was 'outgeneraled, outboxed and outclassed."

My opinion is . . . The McVea offer was just PR.

Jeffries had announced he would fight soon, so the Colma Athlethic Club took a shot and offered Jeffries, what they thought would be an easy fight. (That's a funny thing for me to say considering what McVea would become.)

But at that moment McVea with a 9-2-0 record, coming off a dismal performance, is in no way a seded to fight insteadrious challenger.

It was a PR move by thec AC, and they got lucky. Since Jeffries had no opponent to discuss, the sportswriter filled his column with the McVea offer. It was something to write about.

Hard to believe anyone was taking it seriously.

But on the other hand, the article makes me feel that Jeffries was more concerned about keeping JJ at arms length.

"Little fellow." How absurd! When you got a racist crowd you can say damn near anything, and get away with it.

I believe what Bronson is saying is that McVey was a more worthy challenger thatn who Jeffries decided to fight instead. But that being said i agree with you. If Jeffries would have fought McVey and won it would have opened the floodgates to fight Johnson who was much more formidable at that particular time and Jeff wasn't willing to chance the championship on that fight. It wasn't until he no longer held the title that he had everything to gain and nothing to lose that he was pretty much forced to fight Johnson.

[Bronson66]

Interesting article. Thank you for posting.

It is hard to believe that Jeffries would refer to Jack Johnson as a "little fellow'

I would argue Jeffries statement rings more as an avoidance of Jack Johnson, not McVea.

Jeffries remarks regarding McVea not being a 'championship possibility, is more than justifiable, it is correct.

The recent JJ-McVea fight, Jeffries refers to, is the October 27th fight, just a week before.

1. It was only McVea's 10 fight, resulting in McVea being 9-2-0 by the end.

2. The same newspaper The SF Call, said this about McVea's performance against Johnson:

"McVey - who was floored in rounds 1 and 6 - put up a plucky fight but was 'outgeneraled, outboxed and outclassed."

My opinion is . . . The McVea offer was just PR.

Jeffries had announced he would fight soon, so the Colma Athlethic Club took a shot and offered Jeffries, what they thought would be an easy fight. (That's a funny thing for me to say considering what McVea would become.)

But at that moment McVea with a 9-2-0 record, coming off a dismal performance, is in no way a serious challenger.

It was a PR move by thec AC, and they got lucky. Since Jeffries had no opponent to discuss, the sportswriter filled his column with the McVea offer. It was something to write about.

Hard to believe anyone was taking it seriously.

But on the other hand, the article makes me feel that Jeffries was more concerned about keeping JJ at arms length.

"Little fellow." How absurd! When you got a racist crowd you can say damn near anything, and get away with it.

"McVea had fought twice before coming to Oxnard, once in Salinas and once in Australia; he had a reported record of 6-0-2 prior to this fight."

The two defeats you mention were to Johnson, so not too shabby.
McVey was 205lbs so ,apart from his colour he was certainly as good an opponent as the dismal Finnegan and the absurdly hyped Munroe.
Jeffries had no problem fighting"little fellows," like Choynski,Finnegan ,Fitz, Sharkey,and Corbett,all of whom were lighter than Johnson.
William Brady, Jeffries manager stated Champion Jeffries was always leery of Johnson and wanted no part of him.
We have on here one apologist for everything Jeffries did who eventually got a perma ban for his ludicrous antics elsewhere,and one resident trolling fool,everyone else recognizes Jeffries had no intention of risking his crown against a black challenger,and to be fair to him he made no bones about it.

[QueensburyRules]

NOPE! Jeffries had his last fight as Champion in1904 Langford was a welterweight that year and still only weighed 156lbs in1906! 1906 was also the year Johnson beat the **** out of Langford, flooring him3 times for long 9 counts and breaking his nose."Johnson gave me the only real beating I ever took".Langford
Langford took out no advertisement, in1905 Sam Woodman, his manager challenged any heavyweight with the exception of Jeffries ,since Langford was some 70 plus lbs lighter than Jeffries at that time it is hardly surprising,he excluded Jeffries.
Please explain how 7-2-0 Munroe was a better opponent for Jeffries in1904 than Jack Johnson who had defeated
Childs x2
Martin x2
McVey x3
Russell
Ferguson
Gardner
Butler
????
Please further explain how 36 years old Corbett was a better opponent for Jeffries than Johnson?
Corbett had been retired for 3 years and had won just 1 fight in the previous 9 years!
Jeffries made a public statement saying, if Hart won and there was sufficient demand for the fight he would defend against him,adding,if Johnson won he would not fight him.

I CAME I SAW I CONQUERED.EXCEPT JEFFRIES NOT ONLY NEVER DEFENDED AGAINST A BLACK CHALLENGER HE NEVER FOUGHT THE BEST BLACK FIGHTERS OF HIS ERA
EG MARTIN,JOHNSON ,CHILDS, AND MCVEY.
SO IT COULD ACCURATELY BE SAID HE WAS ONLY EVER THE WHITE HEAVYEIGHT CHAMPION

NB We all know you are ******,you don't have to keep proving it every time you post here!

- - Be sorta like trying to 'splain elementary boxing to Jabby who at least has a minder.

Sam was the little guy who had JJohnson ducking him after JJ beat Burns for the title on an illicit ref stoppage.

Jeff already whooped the 2 fighters who whooped JJohnson...waaaaah-waaaaah. Really U soft lads have no biz polluting a boxing board...

[Bronson66]

- - Be sorta like trying to 'splain elementary boxing to Jabby who at least has a minder.

Sam was the little guy who had JJohnson ducking him after JJ beat Burns for the title on an illicit ref stoppage.

Jeff already whooped the 2 fighters who whooped JJohnson...waaaaah-waaaaah. Really U soft lads have no biz polluting a boxing board...

I've already proved the absurdity of this silly statement.
"Sam Langford was the best blackfighter who took out a full newspaper page to announce he never fight Jeffries for the simple reason of being too good, too formidable."
Langford was never more than a light middleweight during Jeffries title reign. Johnson signed to defend against both Langford,and McVey in Australia,but when he jumped bail Australian public opinion and the church turned against him and the promoter H D McIntosh,cancelled the fights and made a public statement saying why,and I have posted that statement here before.
The Johnson v Burns fight was halted by the Police not the Referee.
"Bout halted by the police, per prior agreement; "Box Rec

"Police intervened" CBZ

There is dumb ,and then there is you!lol
In future ,if you are going to attempt to join the adults here,do some research,because at the moment you are making a complete fool of yourself,and,while that certainly isn't difficult to do,it does get rather monotonous after a while.