Jeffries vs Foreman

[QueensburyRules]

I've already proved the absurdity of this silly statement.
"Sam Langford was the best blackfighter who took out a full newspaper page to announce he never fight Jeffries for the simple reason of being too good, too formidable."
Langford was never more than a light middleweight during Jeffries title reign. Johnson signed to defend against both Langford,and McVey in Australia,but when he jumped bail Australian public opinion and the church turned against him and the promoter H D McIntosh,cancelled the fights and made a public statement saying why,and I have posted that statement here before.
The Johnson v Burns fight was halted by the Police not the Referee.
"Bout halted by the police, per prior agreement; "Box Rec

"Police intervened" CBZ

There is dumb ,and then there is you!lol
In future ,if you are going to attempt to join the adults here,do some research,because at the moment you are making a complete fool of yourself,and,while that certainly isn't difficult to do,it does get rather monotonous after a while.

- - Fight was stopped when one of JJ's corner crawled under the ring to start screaming to stop the fight. Ref in league with the police and JJ, ie: Bout halted by the police, per prior agreement; decision awarded by the referee based on points. Both wore 4oz gloves.

Facts are for the longest time it was recorded as a JJ TKO of Burns who wanted a rematch. That's when JJ ducked Sam when he promised the British Sporting Club his first defense would be against Sam in England.

Instead, for his next fight he stunk out the ring and spectators vs 162 lb Philly Obrien fer peanuts.
205 lbs drew with 162 lbs by NWS in round 6 of 6

• Date: 1909-05-19
• Location: National A.C., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
• Referee:

• World Heavyweight Championship (1st defense by Johnson)

Wire reports in multiple newspapers, including the San Francisco Call, had the bout a draw. The New York Times also had it a draw.

The New York Sun, Wilkes-Barre Times Leader, and Washington Herald had O'Brien winning three rounds, with two even and the fifth round to Johnson.

The Trenton Times reported that the referee stated that he thought O'Brien was the winner by a shade.

The Philadelphia Inquirer, which scored the bout for Johnson, reported: "Three or four times during the mix-ups, O'Brien was roughed to the floor, and once he got tangled in the ropes."

The sports editor of the Philadelphia Inquirer wrote in the May 23 edition: "A half dozen writers, for instance, gave Johnson the credit of having won the bout, but no two of them agreed as to the distance by which he won, and if you read all these accounts you must have come to the conclusion that he won at any distance from a whisker to a city block. And it was the same with the able gentlemen who espoused the O'Brien cause. Some declared that he won all the way, and that but for his willingness to take the initiative there would have been no milling at all, while others gave him the decision solely for the splendid showing he made against such a tremendous physical handicap."

The Stevens Point Daily Journal reported: "Jack Johnson, the big colored heavyweight champion, failed to win over Jack O'Brien, the Philadelphia light heavyweight, in a six-round bout. The fight was even and the consensus of opinion was that it should have been a draw, had a decision been permissible. O'Brien's marvelously fast footwork and his superior blocking saved him from damage in several close mixes, and three times he was forced to his knees by the great strength and weight of Johnson in the clinches. It was a fast fight, O'Brien doing the greater part of the leading. Johnson was slow on his feet, and appeared not to be in the best condition. Repeatedly, the champion rushed his smaller antagonist, but seldom landed effectively. A right-hand counter in the fifth round cut O'Brien's right eye, and this was the sum total of the damage done in the six rounds. Johnson had nothing to say after the bout except that he thought he had the better of it. O'Brien was enthusiastic over his showing. He said he had accepted a proposal to meet Al Kaufman in San Francisco in the near future."

All in all, it appears this bout was a draw.

[Bronson66]

- - Fight was stopped when one of JJ's corner crawled under the ring to start screaming to stop the fight. Ref in league with the police and JJ, ie: Bout halted by the police, per prior agreement; decision awarded by the referee based on points. Both wore 4oz gloves.

Facts are for the longest time it was recorded as a JJ TKO of Burns who wanted a rematch. That's when JJ ducked Sam when he promised the British Sporting Club his first defense would be against Sam in England.

Instead, for his next fight he stunk out the ring and spectators vs 162 lb Philly Obrien fer peanuts.
205 lbs drew with 162 lbs by NWS in round 6 of 6

• Date: 1909-05-19
• Location: National A.C., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
• Referee:

• World Heavyweight Championship (1st defense by Johnson)

Wire reports in multiple newspapers, including the San Francisco Call, had the bout a draw. The New York Times also had it a draw.

The New York Sun, Wilkes-Barre Times Leader, and Washington Herald had O'Brien winning three rounds, with two even and the fifth round to Johnson.

The Trenton Times reported that the referee stated that he thought O'Brien was the winner by a shade.

The Philadelphia Inquirer, which scored the bout for Johnson, reported: "Three or four times during the mix-ups, O'Brien was roughed to the floor, and once he got tangled in the ropes."

The sports editor of the Philadelphia Inquirer wrote in the May 23 edition: "A half dozen writers, for instance, gave Johnson the credit of having won the bout, but no two of them agreed as to the distance by which he won, and if you read all these accounts you must have come to the conclusion that he won at any distance from a whisker to a city block. And it was the same with the able gentlemen who espoused the O'Brien cause. Some declared that he won all the way, and that but for his willingness to take the initiative there would have been no milling at all, while others gave him the decision solely for the splendid showing he made against such a tremendous physical handicap."

The Stevens Point Daily Journal reported: "Jack Johnson, the big colored heavyweight champion, failed to win over Jack O'Brien, the Philadelphia light heavyweight, in a six-round bout. The fight was even and the consensus of opinion was that it should have been a draw, had a decision been permissible. O'Brien's marvelously fast footwork and his superior blocking saved him from damage in several close mixes, and three times he was forced to his knees by the great strength and weight of Johnson in the clinches. It was a fast fight, O'Brien doing the greater part of the leading. Johnson was slow on his feet, and appeared not to be in the best condition. Repeatedly, the champion rushed his smaller antagonist, but seldom landed effectively. A right-hand counter in the fifth round cut O'Brien's right eye, and this was the sum total of the damage done in the six rounds. Johnson had nothing to say after the bout except that he thought he had the better of it. O'Brien was enthusiastic over his showing. He said he had accepted a proposal to meet Al Kaufman in San Francisco in the near future."

All in all, it appears this bout was a draw.

First of all name the two fighters that Jeffries beat who had beaten Johnson?
Hank Griffin is 1 who was the other?

The underlined is total BS.
You said the referee halted the fight,now you post a report that states the fight was halted by the police! Have you any idea what an idiot you are making of yourself?

The referee was also the promoter HD McIntosh and a very close friend of Burns,explain why he would be in league with Johnson,who got a pittance for his purse whilst Burns got a whopping $30,000 . Burns did not win a round against Johnson,why would Johnson's corner need to try and get the fight stopped?
Even if they wanted to shout to get the fight halted ,why would they go under the ring where nobody would hear them to do so?
Since Johnson so easily defeated Burns, who would want to see a rematch?

Johnson fought a 6 rounds no decision fight with O Brien , Johnson was not in shape ,in fact he was out on the town the night before.Aware that O Brien was a soft puncher and no verdict would be rendered unless by stoppage Jack did not trouble to train.

I have the round by round summary of this fight.
Oh and by the way, neither O Brien or Johnson weighed in for the fight,weights given in papers were guestimates.

In the summer of 1908 Johnson signed to fight Langford for ?000 at the National Sporting Club [not the British Sporting Club,which has never existed ]the fight to take place in the spring of1909. Johnson was not the champion at the time he signed the contract .
Johnson won the title on the 26th of December and promptly announced that,now he was champion ,his terms to defend his title were $30,000 the same as Burns had received for defending against him.
Peggy Bettinson the Chairman of the NSC refused to pay any more than he had originally offered and the fight fell through.
ChampionJohnson signed to defend against Langford and Mcvey for $45,000,plus training expenses and 4 round trip tickets the fights to take place in Australia.I've already posted why those fights did not happen , and it was no fault of Johnson's.

Now do try and raise your game, because ,at the moment its beyond pitiful.

[Willie Pep 229]

IMO --> regardless of the dynamics of how it happened, the Burns fight was stopped with Burns on his feet because it was obvious that Burns was about to be KOed. The powers to be didn't want the to happen.

This played out a second time against Jeffries. When, after multiple KDs, Jeff was about to go out for good, the powers to be once again called the fight with Jeffries still on his feet.

It was a White thing. They didn't want the Negro to knockout their champions.

That's my opinion as to way those fights were stopped. The dynamics of how, or who, is an issue not worth arguing about.

Just my two cents.

[Bronson66]

IMO --> regardless of the dynamics of how it happened, the Burns fight was stopped with Burns on his feet because it was obvious that Burns was about to be KOed. The powers to be didn't want the to happen.

This played out a second time against Jeffries. When, after multiple KDs, Jeff was about to go out for good, the powers to be once again called the fight with Jeffries still on his feet.

It was a White thing. They didn't want the Negro to knockout their champions.

That's my opinion as to way those fights were stopped. The dynamics of how, or who, is an issue not worth arguing about.

Just my two cents.

"Don't let him be knocked out"
Let's just not have anymore crap about referees being in league with Johnson,and seconds diving under rings and shouting"stop the fight !"

[JAB5239]

"Don't let him be knocked out"
Let's just not have anymore crap about referees being in league with Johnson,and seconds diving under rings and shouting"stop the fight !"

Yeah, that's always been a hilarious conspiracy theory to me!

[QueensburyRules]

First of all name the two fighters that Jeffries beat who had beaten Johnson?
Hank Griffin is 1 who was the other?

The underlined is total BS.
You said the referee halted the fight,now you post a report that states the fight was halted by the police! Have you any idea what an idiot you are making of yourself?

The referee was also the promoter HD McIntosh and a very close friend of Burns,explain why he would be in league with Johnson,who got a pittance for his purse whilst Burns got a whopping $30,000 . Burns did not win a round against Johnson,why would Johnson's corner need to try and get the fight stopped?
Even if they wanted to shout to get the fight halted ,why would they go under the ring where nobody would hear them to do so?
Since Johnson so easily defeated Burns, who would want to see a rematch?

Johnson fought a 6 rounds no decision fight with O Brien , Johnson was not in shape ,in fact he was out on the town the night before.Aware that O Brien was a soft puncher and no verdict would be rendered unless by stoppage Jack did not trouble to train.

I have the round by round summary of this fight.
Oh and by the way, neither O Brien or Johnson weighed in for the fight,weights given in papers were guestimates.

In the summer of 1908 Johnson signed to fight Langford for ?000 at the National Sporting Club [not the British Sporting Club,which has never existed ]the fight to take place in the spring of1909. Johnson was not the champion at the time he signed the contract .
Johnson won the title on the 26th of December and promptly announced that,now he was champion ,his terms to defend his title were $30,000 the same as Burns had received for defending against him.
Peggy Bettinson the Chairman of the NSC refused to pay any more than he had originally offered and the fight fell through.
ChampionJohnson signed to defend against Langford and Mcvey for $45,000,plus training expenses and 4 round trip tickets the fights to take place in Australia.I've already posted why those fights did not happen , and it was no fault of Johnson's.

Now do try and raise your game, because ,at the moment its beyond pitiful.

- - What, U no know what every schoolboy in the day knew?

British = National of Great Britain, both of which U soil ever time U hired monkeys type out U flatulence...phewie...

[JAB5239]

- - What, U no know what every schoolboy in the day knew?

British = National of Great Britain, both of which U soil ever time U hired monkeys type out U flatulence...phewie...

You're getting schooled.

[Bronson66]

- - What, U no know what every schoolboy in the day knew?

British = National of Great Britain, both of which U soil ever time U hired monkeys type out U flatulence...phewie...

The underlined is nonsensical pidgin Queenie drivel
The NSC was a private sporting club.
You've been corrected on everything you have posted.
It's official, you are a moron.

[QueensburyRules]

The underlined is nonsensical pidgin Queenie drivel
The NSC was a private sporting club.
You've been corrected on everything you have posted.
It's official, you are a moron.

- - don't take much to best U Zer0 IQ...yup!!!

[Bronson66]

- - don't take much to best U Zer0 IQ...yup!!!

It takes more than you will ever possess, half wit.