Jeffries vs Foreman

[elfag]

Foreman

stamina wont be an issue. jefferies was used to fighting much smaller men. some of these guys only were 170 or 180 something pounds. could you imagine george foreman fighting a light heavyweight? jefferies will burn a lot of energy fighting a guy with similiar size and strength.


technique was pretty limited back then, i dont see jeffries doing anything foremans zombie defense couldnt handle. foreman had the reach advantage too. he just pushed people to wherever he wanted them to control space.


I cant imagine foreman going 10-20 rounds with a guy 30-40 pounds smaller than him like jefferies did. foreman would blast them out to another planet in the first round. foreman made fraizer look small and weak and fraizer was like what 10 pounds smaller than foreman.

[QueensburyRules]

Foreman

stamina wont be an issue. jefferies was used to fighting much smaller men. some of these guys only were 170 or 180 something pounds. could you imagine george foreman fighting a light heavyweight? jefferies will burn a lot of energy fighting a guy with similiar size and strength.


technique was pretty limited back then, i dont see jeffries doing anything foremans zombie defense couldnt handle. foreman had the reach advantage too. he just pushed people to wherever he wanted them to control space.


I cant imagine foreman going 10-20 rounds with a guy 30-40 pounds smaller than him like jefferies did. foreman would blast them out to another planet in the first round. foreman made fraizer look small and weak and fraizer was like what 10 pounds smaller than foreman.

- - Big George bounced Tubby Qawi around like a basketball. Previously Mike Spinks knocked Qawi into the cruiser division to put Vander in ICU...

[them_apples]

Foreman

stamina wont be an issue. jefferies was used to fighting much smaller men. some of these guys only were 170 or 180 something pounds. could you imagine george foreman fighting a light heavyweight? jefferies will burn a lot of energy fighting a guy with similiar size and strength.


technique was pretty limited back then, i dont see jeffries doing anything foremans zombie defense couldnt handle. foreman had the reach advantage too. he just pushed people to wherever he wanted them to control space.


I cant imagine foreman going 10-20 rounds with a guy 30-40 pounds smaller than him like jefferies did. foreman would blast them out to another planet in the first round. foreman made fraizer look small and weak and fraizer was like what 10 pounds smaller than foreman.

levi Forte went the distance with Foreman and was 190 lbs

comes down to skill - heart - style and conditioning

weight is one attribute

[Bronson66]

levi Forte went the distance with Foreman and was 190 lbs

comes down to skill - heart - style and conditioning

weight is one attribute

Forte was 199lbs Foreman 216lbs

Forte had 45 fights under his belt, Foreman 11.
The fight was a 10 rounder

Jeffries went 20 rds to a draw with Choynski

Jeffries was 219lbs, Choynski 167lbs

Choynski had 47fights ,Jeffries 9.

Choynski was of course much better than journeyman Forte, but he earned a draw whereas Forte was beaten convincingly.

As well as the attributes you mentioned,may I mention experience and mindset?

ie Was Forte trying to win ,or just survive? Opponents just looking to stay the distance can be .as we know, extremely difficult to get out of there.

[Dr. Z]

Jeffries defended his title for the last time in1904 his purse was $ 18.500.
He was offered a guaranteed $20,000 to defend against McVey in1903 a year earlier it's in Pollacks Jeffries biography.I suggest you buy it and get informed on the subject,then perhaps you wont keep making such an ass of yourself?

Jeffries got $1.500 for defending against Finnegan, in1900

You are a fool. Jefffies fought Finnegan in 1900. Got it? Sam Mcvey started boxing at 17-18 years in 1902 and quit in 1904 and all of 1905. Got it?

Saying he should have fought Mcvey instead in 1900 assinie. But you are just that.

Only a newspaper offer was made to Jeffires in 1904 ( Please produce the guarantee of a secure purse with moenies secured) And in case you didn't know there was a reason why Munore was picked. Duh.

NEXT.

You are a crusty old man with an ax to grind.

- Dr. Z

[JAB5239]

You are a fool. Jefffies fought Finnegan in 1900. Got it? Sam Mcvey started boxing at 17-18 years in 1902 and quit in 1904 and all of 1905. Got it?

Saying he should have fought Mcvey instead in 1900 assinie. But you are just that.

Only a newspaper offer was made to Jeffires in 1904 ( Please produce the guarantee of a secure purse with moenies secured) And in case you didn't know there was a reason why Munore was picked. Duh.

NEXT.

You are a crusty old man with an ax to grind.

- Dr. Z

He said the Finnegan fight was in 1900. He also said the McVea fight was offered to Jeff in 1903. At that time same had already shared the ring with Jack Johnson twice, and Denver Ed Martin. The fight was viable at that timebr he instead fought the shell of Corbett and Jack Munroe instead. At that time Mcvey was at least as dangerous as Munroe and offered a bigger purse. Jeffries didn't want it.

[Bronson66]

You are a fool. Jefffies fought Finnegan in 1900. Got it? Sam Mcvey started boxing at 17-18 years in 1902 and quit in 1904 and all of 1905. Got it?

Saying he should have fought Mcvey instead in 1900 assinie. But you are just that.

Only a newspaper offer was made to Jeffires in 1904 ( Please produce the guarantee of a secure purse with moenies secured) And in case you didn't know there was a reason why Munore was picked. Duh.

NEXT.

You are a crusty old man with an ax to grind.

- Dr. Z

Where did I say Jeffries should have fought McVey in1900?

For the second time.I NEVER mentioned either Corbett or Fitzsimmons.
I stated Jeffries was
"GUARANTEED MORE MONEY TO DEFEND AGAINST MCVEY AND MARTIN THAN HE RECEIVED FOR DEFENDING AGAINST BOTH MUNROE AND FINNEGAN AND I POSTED HIS PURSES FOR THOSE TWO JOKE DEFENCES!
DO YOU FINALLY GET THAT?
Jeffries purse for Finnegan was $1,800!
When Jeffries defended against Munroe, McVey was 20 years old I say McVey was a better opponent than Munroe do you dispute that?
I say Martin not MARTIAN lol ,was a better opponent for Jeffries than 4-2-4 Finnegan who had been ko'd in2 rds in his previous fight by Ruhlin.Do you dispute that?

You would not recognize a fact if it flew up and hit you in the face!"

McVey's career in the US began in1902!
Jeffries was offered a guarantee to defend against McVey,the guarantee was from a promoter,not a newspaper.Jeffries ignored it.
You not only cannot write a legible sentence,you cannot read and comprehend a written one!

[Willie Pep 229]

Where did I say Jeffries should have fought McVey in1900?

For the second time.I NEVER mentioned either Corbett or Fitzsimmons.
I stated Jeffries was
"GUARANTEED MORE MONEY TO DEFEND AGAINST MCVEY AND MARTIN THAN HE RECEIVED FOR DEFENDING AGAINST BOTH MUNROE AND FINNEGAN AND I POSTED HIS PURSES FOR THOSE TWO JOKE DEFENCES!
DO YOU FINALLY GET THAT?
Jeffries purse for Finnegan was $1,800!
When Jeffries defended against Munroe, McVey was 20 years old I say McVey was a better opponent than Munroe do you dispute that?
I say Martin not MARTIAN lol ,was a better opponent for Jeffries than 4-2-4 Finnegan who had been ko'd in2 rds in his previous fight by Ruhlin.Do you dispute that?

You would not recognize a fact if it flew up and hit you in the face!"

McVey's career in the US began in1902!
Jeffries was offered a guarantee to defend against McVey,the guarantee was from a promoter,not a newspaper.Jeffries ignored it.
You not only cannot write a legible sentence,you cannot read and comprehend a written one!

You posted that article.

McVea was coming off a loss to Johnson and was only ten fights into his career.

That the AC could have promoted that scenario into a $20,000 deal for Jeffries is a maybe.

To say that offer is a guarantee is disingenuous.

Only after an acceptance, some due diligence, and a contract does it become a 'guarantee.' Until then it is an offer. The article calls it an offer.

Besides, one can't say Jeffries ducked McVea. The article reads like he looked right pass that offer, seeming more concerned about denying Johnson a shot.

At that moment I can't see McVea as a 'duck,' he was a 'never mind.'

Unless there is a more tangible offer other than the one in that article.

[Asmodeus]

Looking for Thoughts here. Big George and Big Jeff are two of, if not THEE two strongest heavyweight Champions to have ever lived and both had great chins...Jeff with the better stamina, supposedly.

Who wins in a 15 round clash?


If someone else has already done this....sorry.

George might actually kill im dude

[Asmodeus]

- - Big George bounced Tubby Qawi around like a basketball. Previously Mike Spinks knocked Qawi into the cruiser division to put Vander in ICU...

You really gonna pretend he didn't have to give the small old man a savage beating to do im in?
And you conveniently left out Qawi robbing im of his senses and making him do a dance.

how many others made foreman do the journeyman jigg?