Jeffries vs Foreman

[Dr. Z]

This is a crock of ****, sorry. So you're saying a former champion automatically reverts to being lineal champion if he comes out of retirement after the top 2 fighters have already started a new lineage? Ridiculous. That means Lennox Lewis could come out of retirement today and he'd be the champ, and Usyk would lose that recognition because Lewis never lost his title in the ring when he retired. That doesn't sound totally absurd to you? If it does than you can't change the rules for Jeffries.

That is how is went and goes. Yes, if Lewis comes out of retirement he is the lineal champion as he did not lose it in his last fight in the ring. You do not like the lineal title. That is how is works.

[JAB5239]

That is how is went and goes. Yes, if Lewis comes out of retirement he is the lineal champion as he did not lose it in his last fight in the ring. You do not like the lineal title. That is how is works.

Show me ANYTHING that says this is how it works. Because I can show you criteria that says it's exactly how I say it works, and I can you list of lineal championship that include Hart after Jeffries and Johnson after Burns with no James Jeffries in-between. So once again you're claiming everyone else is lying, but you're telling the truth, right? Prove it.

[Biledriver]

This is a crock of sh it, sorry. So you're saying a former champion automatically reverts to being lineal champion if he comes out of retirement after the top 2 fighters have already started a new lineage? Ridiculous. That means Lennox Lewis could come out of retirement today and he'd be the champ, and Usyk would lose that recognition because Lewis never lost his title in the ring when he retired. That doesn't sound totally absurd to you? If it does than you can't change the rules for Jeffries.

Z has taken over the niche that Tunney and his sock puppets like DOMINATION used to fill.

[billeau2]

I'd call Tom Sharkey a swarmer.

Sam McVey was another one... Exceptions for every rule.

[Bronson66]

You did not prove that Jeffies received more money vs. Martin or McVey than his title defense vs Fitz and Corbett! He did not. Not even close to these " newspaper offers "

Okay so he made little vs. Finnegan for a title defense. Would you rather see Jeffries fight a teenaged Sam McVey? Jeff has a recorded KO over Martian and Childs in the 1890's according to the newspapers. Do you believe that? Of course you don't, it would hinder your agenda.

And do not forget my friend with a perpetual ax to grind that a newspaper offer is not a not the real offer nor is it how much he would make. There is a process for negotiations. The live gate was the main source of income for a fighter in those years not an offer in the press beforehand. Got it now?

And those are the facts. Now quickly ignore the facts and change my talking points as usual.

I am busy these days, so It might take me a while to reply on some days.

For the second time.I NEVER mentioned either Corbett or Fitzsimmons.
I stated Jeffries was
GUARANTEED MORE MONEY TO DEFEND AGAINST MCVEY AND MARTIN THAN HE RECEIVED FOR DEFENDING AGAINST BOTH MUNROE AND FINNEGAN AND I POSTED HIS PURSES FOR THOSE TWO JOKE DEFENCES!
DO YOU FINALLY GET THAT?
Jeffries purse for Finnegan was $1,200!
When Jeffries defended against Munroe, McVey was 20 years old I say McVey was a better opponent than Munroe do you dispute that?
I say Martin not MARTIAN lol ,was a better opponent for Jeffries than 4-2-4 Finnegan who had been ko'd in2 rds in his previous fight by Ruhlin.Do you dispute that?

You would not recognize a fact if it flew up and hit you in the face!

[QueensburyRules]

When Jeffries retired ,the 4 best black heavyweights were.Johnson,McVey,Childs,Martin. Jeffries fought none of them,and only later challenged Johnson because Jack was now the champion.
Johnson in contrast ,fought Martin x2Childs x2,and McVey x3.

Jeffries certainly did not think himself still the champion in 1910,if he had done, he would never have risked a fight with Johnson.
" I am coming back to reclaim the title for the White Race."Jeffries.

- - They were noobs to any sorta ratings. Sam Langford was the best blackfighter who took out a full newspaper page to announce he never fight Jeffries for the simple reason of being too good, too formidable.

Jeff was on a one a year defense schedule with his last 3 were Fitz, Corbett, and Munroe, the first two being far more Ring worthy than a JJohnson still getting his feet under him.

Jeff was ready for JJohnson until he stunk out the ring vs Hart, and so retired: "Veni, Vidi, Vici"...The End...

[JAB5239]

- - They were noobs to any sorta ratings. Sam Langford was the best blackfighter who took out a full newspaper page to announce he never fight Jeffries for the simple reason of being too good, too formidable.

Jeff was on a one a year defense schedule with his last 3 were Fitz, Corbett, and Munroe, the first two being far more Ring worthy than a JJohnson still getting his feet under him.

Jeff was ready for JJohnson until he stunk out the ring vs Hart, and so retired: "Veni, Vidi, Vici"...The End...

Yes, he came, he saw, he never defended the title against a black fighters.

[QueensburyRules]

Yes, he came, he saw, he never defended the title against a black fighters.

- - Lineal boys say Jeff defended his title vs Griffin.

Take it up wif U fellow L00ns!!!

[JAB5239]

- - Lineal boys say Jeff defended his title vs Griffin.

Take it up wif U fellow L00ns!!!

No, nobody claims Jeff defended any title in a four round exhibition. If that were true Joe Louis would have more than 40 title defenses.

[billeau2]

No, nobody claims Jeff defended any title in a four round exhibition. If that were true Joe Louis would have more than 40 title defenses.

And Jake Paul would be a two class champion! Until he dares challenge Zellenoff!