Does anyone still think the old time heavyweights were too small to be competitive in the modern era?

[Anomalocaris]

In my opinion your opinion is not based off any real
evidence at all. It simply makes 0 sense that bulking up can make you a better boxer. Nor has it ever even manifested in any era. Not even the modern era. A former cruiser is champ right now. Even if you cling on the to idea that he bulked up - it doesnt change the fact that his oponents have 50 lbs on him and 6 inches of height.

its a total
myth. You canāt prove it. You can easily find fights in all eras of smaller heavies crushing big heavies.

its a pointless argument. You pretty much have to be a casual to succumb to your argument sorry to say

Casual my arse.

Usyk is a total giant compared to Mariciano even as a cruiser with modern weigh in rules he prpbably weighed 210.

Sorry, Rocky would have had great trouble with a prime Spinks or even Foster.

Ancient Moore and Charles gave him sheer hell after all and they are in the same top 5 of light-heavies.

Nostalgia has no place amongst empirical facts.

[them_apples]

Casual my arse.

Usyk is a total giant compared to Mariciano even as a cruiser with modern weigh in rules he prpbably weighed 210.

Sorry, Rocky would have had great trouble with a prime Spinks or even Foster.

Ancient Moore and Charles gave him sheer hell after all and they are in the same top 5 of light-heavies.

Nostalgia has no place amongst empirical facts.

when marciano sparred Ali, he was 235. is Usyk still a giant then? just a bit of mcdonalds is all he needed?

Ancient Charles? 33 is ancient?

Have a look at Moores record going in with Marciano. phenominal

[DeeMoney]

In my opinion your opinion is not based off any real
evidence at all. It simply makes 0 sense that bulking up can make you a better boxer. Nor has it ever even manifested in any era. Not even the modern era. A former cruiser is champ right now. Even if you cling on the to idea that he bulked up - it doesnt change the fact that his oponents have 50 lbs on him and 6 inches of height.

its a total
myth. You canāt prove it. You can easily find fights in all eras of smaller heavies crushing big heavies.

its a pointless argument. You pretty much have to be a casual to succumb to your argument sorry to say

The argument that being bigger is an advantage in a boxing match. I imagine you would agree with that, and though I hate to have to do this I will take a page from the recent slew of posts citing fantasy fights of different weighted fighters.

Who would you pick to win a match between 2006 Super Featherweight Manny Pacquiao and 2021 Anthony Joshua. A straight up match, nit pound fir pound. And dont dodgethr question by arguing it wouldnt be sanctioned, or try to bog it down in semantics of ring size or rounds. Pick a winner.

Now, here is the difficulty. We all know that Pac was a far superior boxer in every way: more skilled, faster, better stamina, a true inner circle hall of famer. But if you pick Pac to win the fight you are either A) being disingenuous and doing so only to keep your argument or B) blinded to the reason we have weight classes.

Or, you could admit that a decent heavyweight would beat an ATG superfetherweight head to head, with his only advantage being: size.

So, by accepting that a lesser fighter, AJ, could beat a better fighter, Pac, simply by being bigger. Then you understand why some would argue adding size could be advantageous.

Now if you want to argue there is some arbitrary size that is perfect for every fighter and growing bigger than 'X height and weight' makes you worse. I'd listen, but there really is no one size perfect size for all. That being written, it should be obvious how one could perceive extra size, in general, as an advantage

[Anomalocaris]

Ricardo Lopez KO's Ali in three.

Weight does not matter after all.

[them_apples]

The argument that being bigger is an advantage in a boxing match. I imagine you would agree with that, and though I hate to have to do this I will take a page from the recent slew of posts citing fantasy fights of different weighted fighters.

Who would you pick to win a match between 2006 Super Featherweight Manny Pacquiao and 2021 Anthony Joshua. A straight up match, nit pound fir pound. And dont dodgethr question by arguing it wouldnt be sanctioned, or try to bog it down in semantics of ring size or rounds. Pick a winner.

Now, here is the difficulty. We all know that Pac was a far superior boxer in every way: more skilled, faster, better stamina, a true inner circle hall of famer. But if you pick Pac to win the fight you are either A) being disingenuous and doing so only to keep your argument or B) blinded to the reason we have weight classes.

Or, you could admit that a decent heavyweight would beat an ATG superfetherweight head to head, with his only advantage being: size.

So, by accepting that a lesser fighter, AJ, could beat a better fighter, Pac, simply by being bigger. Then you understand why some would argue adding size could be advantageous.

Now if you want to argue there is some arbitrary size that is perfect for every fighter and growing bigger than 'X height and weight' makes you worse. I'd listen, but there really is no one size perfect size for all. That being written, it should be obvious how one could perceive extra size, in general, as an advantage

Size Matters but skill and ability matter WAY more. and by way more I would reckon with a weight of about 5x.

The size disparity between Joshua and Pacquiao (this is real size, not just one dude putting on weight) means Pacquiao likely can't do much vs Joshua - but make no mistake I also can't see Joshua actually catching Pacquiao. Joshua is not a very good fighter, he's just big. I think Joshua wins a lame, ugly decision over Pacquiao who decides to run circles around him.

If you want a perfect example watch Shaq vs de la hoya and Shane mosely. He staged those bouts against them a while ago. You can see how Shane and DLH's speed and ability are ripping shots left and right off Shaq who can't hit them. However, shaq is too big to take down but too slow to hit them. its common sense really.

Pick a dangerous guy like Joe Louis and put him in w pac though, its lights out. cold.

Had you have picked a better heavyweight, I would have hands down agreed with you. a skilled big man is gonna crush a skilled smaller man.

[Bronson66]

Size Matters but skill and ability matter WAY more. and by way more I would reckon with a weight of about 5x.

The size disparity between Joshua and Pacquiao (this is real size, not just one dude putting on weight) means Pacquiao likely can't do much vs Joshua - but make no mistake I also can't see Joshua actually catching Pacquiao. Joshua is not a very good fighter, he's just big. I think Joshua wins a lame, ugly decision over Pacquiao who decides to run circles around him.

If you want a perfect example watch Shaq vs de la hoya and Shane mosely. He staged those bouts against them a while ago. You can see how Shane and DLH's speed and ability are ripping shots left and right off Shaq who can't hit them. However, shaq is too big to take down but too slow to hit them. its common sense really.

Pick a dangerous guy like Joe Louis and put him in w pac though, its lights out. cold.

Had you have picked a better heavyweight, I would have hands down agreed with you. a skilled big man is gonna crush a skilled smaller man.

"Had you have picked a better heavyweight, I would have hands down agreed with you. a skilled big man is gonna crush a skilled smaller man."
Finally Hoo ****ing Ray !

[ShoulderRoll]

And there’s the rub.

How many of the modern day big men are more skilled than the great smaller men of the past?

[them_apples]

"Had you have picked a better heavyweight, I would have hands down agreed with you. a skilled big man is gonna crush a skilled smaller man."
Finally Hoo ****ing Ray !

I picked Joshua to beat him?

I just don't think he actually catches pac and ices him

pac prob feels the weight and runs in circles


Dude you are easily just as guilty of picking a big lug on size alone. you do it all the time.

[Bronson66]

I picked Joshua to beat him?

I just don't think he actually catches pac and ices him

pac prob feels the weight and runs in circles


Dude you are easily just as guilty of picking a big lug on size alone. you do it all the time.

My dog knows more about boxing than you.
I've been kind to you lately and called you BS ,"exaggerations",from now on I'll call it what it is. LYING!

[Bronson66]

And there’s the rub.

How many of the modern day big men are more skilled than the great smaller men of the past?

Nobody has ever suggested they were,but that does not mean Marvin Hagler ,at160lbs beats Daniel Dubois.