Tyson Fury?

[Bronson66]

At what point does his size cease being an advantage?
I'm assuming here that all things being equal everyone agrees he beats anyone up to Lhvy,175lbs.
What about over that , abilities being equal,when does his size cease to give him an advantage?
When his opponent is 6ft and 190lbs for example, or when?

[JAB5239]

At what point does his size cease being an advantage?
I'm assuming here that all things being equal everyone agrees he beats anyone up to Lhvy,175lbs.
What about over that , abilities being equal,when does his size cease to give him an advantage?
When his opponent is 6ft and 190lbs for example, or when?

I think a varies from fighter to fighter. No two fighters are alike.

[Willie Pep 229]

I don't think size ever becomes a disadvantage. But there has to be more as well.

Remember how all the buzz was that this new guy, Tyson Fury was a monster of a man but could still move in and out like a fast MW?

No one talks about Fury's movement anymore. His legs are gone now and be has at best average lateral movement today.

So it seems to me all he has left is his size and size alone won't win you big fights, you need some skills to go along with it.

Fury once had those skills, but they faded and now he's in route to taking a Willard level beating if he stays too long.

What made Fury great, was not just being big, but in the beginning, he was a huge guy who could move.

Remember when everyone was saying that?

That's gone now. All Fury has left is being big. I predict that it is not enough.

So I guess I am on the side that says size alone alone doesn't count, unless there are other skills to go along with it.

[Marchegiano]

Exactly 33.33% I'm joking





What you asked is a styles question packaged as a size question. Fighters who relies on stamina happen at all sizes. At what point does Fury's size become a disadvantage? At any point in time when he's being outworked and fading. The man can be bigger than him and outwork him, it just means that man overcomes the size disadvantage better than Fury. but it does not mean Fury's size is not a deficit due to his size. He is.

Again to make the same comparison in the other direction, being a WW doesn't mean you can't be a power puncher and score KOs over men larger than you. It means when you do score those KOs you are overcoming your size disadvantage better than that man. Pretty sure I cited a Walcott that is a 140 flooring a 215. Walcott has the size disadvantage and still managed to be the power puncher. Because styles though.



Which is why I stay vague when doing the 160 to 260 stuff. That's enough span, like with power, it's just super unlikely anyone overcome the disadvantage. In either direction. No 160 is out powering any 260. No 260 is out staminaing any 160. Exactly where the cut off to overcome disadvantage lies is match by match. Fury might can be outworked by a 190 but i would assume that man has to put his entire gameplan into workrate and have solid chin. It's a could, a maybe, might, it is possible. Once you jump down another 30-40 pounds it becomes super duper unlikely because you're in in-human territory.

As in any man 260 producing a metabolic rate like he's 160 is not impossible perse, we just never recorded it. Likewise a 160 lifting in the tonnage is unheard of. Not impossible perse but so unlikely I treat it like it is.

[BKM-]

The problem is people are talking about today's 280lb shot Fury who can no longer move and maintain cardio beyond the first half of the fight, and thinking or pretending that this is the same freak of nature who @ age 27 was 247lb and could stick and move for 12 rounds and fight in the inside as well, making a fool of an ATG Klitschko.

He gets judged very harshly, probably because of his big mouth and years of disappointments. But the reality remains, at one time in his peak he had something we haven't seen before.

[Nash out]

I don't think size ever becomes a disadvantage. But there has to be more as well.

Remember how all the buzz was that this new guy, Tyson Fury was a monster of a man but could still move in and out like a fast MW?

No one talks about Fury's movement anymore. His legs are gone now and be has at best average lateral movement today.

So it seems to me all he has left is his size and size alone won't win you big fights, you need some skills to go along with it.

Fury once had those skills, but they faded and now he's in route to taking a Willard level beating if he stays too long.

What made Fury great, was not just being big, but in the beginning, he was a huge guy who could move.

Remember when everyone was saying that?

That's gone now. All Fury has left is being big. I predict that it is not enough.

So I guess I am on the side that says size alone alone doesn't count, unless there are other skills to go along with it.

Fury was all about great movement and head movement. He's a shadow of the man he used to be and still pushed Usyk close twice, won the first in my view. In his prime he'd have won comfortably. To give another example, prime Fury (when he could move) would make such light work of Dubois, whereas I think right now, Dubois probably beats Fury. Remember his movement on the ropes vs Schwarz? He can't move at 25% of that speed now. Nash out - His Majesty

[IronDanHamza]

You say you think everyone agrees he could beat any one up to 175 lbs. I don’t know why you’d be confident about that.

There are people on here who actually think Harry Greb could beat 200+ lb elite heavyweights.

I guarantee there are posters here who would pick Greb to beat Fury.

[JAB5239]

Fury was all about great movement and head movement. He's a shadow of the man he used to be and still pushed Usyk close twice, won the first in my view. In his prime he'd have won comfortably. To give another example, prime Fury (when he could move) would make such light work of Dubois, whereas I think right now, Dubois probably beats Fury. Remember his movement on the ropes vs Schwarz? He can't move at 25% of that speed now. Nash out - His Majesty

Honestly, this is the truth. I fully believe the Fury who beat Klitschko would beat Usyk. But time waits for no man. As a man that has fought at an advanced age (albeit not the same level) I know how it feels. You think you're doing the same things.....but every millisecond matters and you're not. It's an inescapable fact. If Wlad comes back to try and get Foremans record without at least a few tune up fights he'll find this out. Sorry, didn't mean to stray.

[Mr Mitts]

He looked good for a while. He was good. How good? If he had beaten enough of the right people he would be an ATG. But he didn't, and he isn't an ATG. Usyk is the guy who may very well be an ATG.

[Nash out]

Honestly, this is the truth. I fully believe the Fury who beat Klitschko would beat Usyk. But time waits for no man. As a man that has fought at an advanced age (albeit not the same level) I know how it feels. You think you're doing the same things.....but every millisecond matters and you're not. It's an inescapable fact. If Wlad comes back to try and get Foremans record without at least a few tune up fights he'll find this out. Sorry, didn't mean to stray.

100% and Fury is very old for this age through his lifestyle. He's lost attributes at a higher rate than he would have had he lived like Wlad for example, and yes, it's far too late for Wlad to come back now, pushing 50. The Fury now vs the 2015 version of Wlad gets knocked out I believe. I couldn't stay out of distance well enough not too. Nash out - His Majesty