Does anyone still think the old time heavyweights were too small to be competitive in the modern era?

[Anomalocaris]

Bill Tate was 6’ 6 1/2” and had an 81” reach. Big men were not unknown in Jack Dempsey’s time.

So the 'legendary' Bill Tate was in the same skill class of Lewis, the brothers, Fury or Usyk?

Talk about rose - coloured glasses.

[Bronson66]

Punches

So the bigger man stops punching when the smaller man comes in close?
Wlad v Haye
Wlad v Povetkin
Liston v Patterson
Foreman v Frazier.

Something tells me you do not have much practical experience of boxing.

[Bronson66]

Did you all come in this one thread to consolidate or are you cowards cowering away from me for easier fare?


Most of this is tard levels of ****** on both ends and I don't honestly understand TF is wrong with youse.

Is leverage controversial?

Is metabolic rate controversial?

How about gravity, that's a controversial aspect of boxing is it?

The law of conservation of energy is a controversial stance to take in boxing?

Kinematic chains is a controversy?

The only data we have on human bone averages comes from **** experiments on ***ish inmates and somehow I am able to use that data to make you an arm while yet another jabroni is a totally different industry uses that same data to make your helmets, including, your ****ing headgear you dumb ****s. Maybe because data doesn't give a **** about any transitive taking shine off your favorite fighter? I said maybe, there is no maybe.



But X beat Y or A gained/lost B pounds for fight C means something. It's not a bunch of ****** stacked on ****** arguing a ****** argument in ****** terms by the very ****ing definition of ******ity.



If you think I am wrong get your goofy ass off boxrec and get on a GD medical site. See how ****ed to death ****** this entire debate is.





Why can't youse give a value to ANY aspect of boxing and come up with a system everyone agrees is a fair rating system? Because you're too ****** to accept what bias is and too proud to admit it. You're probably too ****** to see the relation between data sets by ****s and boxrec and put together what I just ****ing told you too.




Y'all go on believing your goofy ****. Meanwhile when I make an arm for an 78 inch reach I'm adding reinforcement to it so it can perform at least at the same level of a 68 inch reach without breaking.



Oh no I wrote more than three lines and cursed at you. More than enough reason to shut your brain off ennit? I gave you your outs. Y'all probably take those too rather than, you know, learning a ****ing thing ever.

We are all cowards,running away from your irrefutable logic. Do forgive us Master!

[Bronson66]

Bill Tate was 6’ 6 1/2” and had an 81” reach. Big men were not unknown in Jack Dempsey’s time.

He was sparring partner level.
Big men were not unknown in any era.
Big men with both skills and movement were.

[Marchegiano]

So the bigger man stops punching when the smaller man comes in close?
Wlad v Haye
Wlad v Povetkin
Liston v Patterson
Foreman v Frazier.

Something tells me you do not have much practical experience of boxing.

I used to upload myself in my youth. Pretty sure whatever BS you're about to try to pull, you have no proof of, while mine is on this website. It's not a big deal dude and I'd take you for your word but something tells me you wouldn't extend that respect to me. Hence you accusing in the first place. You don't like that I say certain words at you but you also refuse to acknowledge you are a disrespectful ass prick too.



I can't believe you're still cherry picking fights like that's not moronic. I too can cherry pick fights. It doesn't prove anything, except for the fact that you are actually goofy enough to think it does, or should. Jesus Christ bro you even have to double up on names so this won't be hard.

Spink-Holmes
Spinks-Cooney
RJJ-Ruiz
Tyson-Golota
Chambers-Peter

Look at me, I can even cherry pick more names than you have and so that must mean more than I am a goofy prick right?

ooo let's do Norfolk-Tate too because Shoulder mentioned him.

That's six pulled out of my ass and we all know 6 is a bigger number than 4 so you haven't a leg to stand on and that not at all me meeting goofy dumb **** with more goofy dumb ****. I'm totes 100% cereal and not at all making a mockery of this attempt at a point.

[QueensburyRules]

Bill Tate was 6’ 6 1/2” and had an 81” reach. Big men were not unknown in Jack Dempsey’s time.

- - Dempsey took Tate to Hollywood for training for the Wills fight that never came off. Dempsey made Tate his chauffeur to quell the the Hollywood squalor over Tate living in Hollywood with Dempsey.

[Anomalocaris]

We are all cowards,running away from your irrefutable logic. Do forgive us Master!

[Anomalocaris]

The next time an 185 -190 pound heavyweight wins the title someone please inform me.

Otherwise fantasise through those rose coloured glasses.

[Bronson66]

I used to upload myself in my youth. Pretty sure whatever BS you're about to try to pull, you have no proof of, while mine is on this website. It's not a big deal dude and I'd take you for your word but something tells me you wouldn't extend that respect to me. Hence you accusing in the first place. You don't like that I say certain words at you but you also refuse to acknowledge you are a disrespectful ass prick too.



I can't believe you're still cherry picking fights like that's not moronic. I too can cherry pick fights. It doesn't prove anything, except for the fact that you are actually goofy enough to think it does, or should. Jesus Christ bro you even have to double up on names so this won't be hard.

Spink-Holmes
Spinks-Cooney
RJJ-Ruiz
Tyson-Golota
Chambers-Peter

Look at me, I can even cherry pick more names than you have and so that must mean more than I am a goofy prick right?

ooo let's do Norfolk-Tate too because Shoulder mentioned him.

That's six pulled out of my ass and we all know 6 is a bigger number than 4 so you haven't a leg to stand on and that not at all me meeting goofy dumb **** with more goofy dumb ****. I'm totes 100% cereal and not at all making a mockery of this attempt at a point.

Dear M,Many of us used to upload ourselves in our youth,hopefully most of us eventually found a willing partner to help us in our endeavours to relieve our tensions.

Let us look at your choices
Spinks v Holmes Spinks added 30lbs to his frame to take on Holmes Why?

Spinks was prime Holmes was past prime.Prime Holmes stops Spinks ,imo
Spinks undertook a scientifically designed strength and weight gain programme,under sports nutritionist Mackie Shilston too compete as a heavyweight . Why?

Spinks scaled 208 3/4lbs to fight Cooney,that's 33 1/4lbs more than he weighed previously. Why?

RJJ went from175lbs to 193 lbs a18lbs weight gain to challenge Ruiz. Why?

Once Jones had beaten Ruiz,why did Jones not entertain fighting ,Holyfield or Lewis,which was where the real money was?
Why in fact did he select Ruiz in preference to them in the first place?
Could it be because Ruiz was the lesser danger?

Chambers was at his second career highest to face Peter. Why?
In his next fight he was lighter against an even bigger man,would that be because he did not think Dimitrenko was half as dangerous as Peter?
What do you think?

Tyson 222lbs v Golota 240lbs.
I've said many ,many times a man 200lbs+ can beat any man If he is good enough.Tyson was twice the fighter Golota was and at 222lbs plenty big enough to overcome the 18lbs weight deficit.

Bill Tate? He lost to Norfolk because Norfolk was a world class fighter whereas Tate was sparring partner level,simple as!
In my statements about smaller men beating bigger ones I have always maintained one crucial element and that is"all things being equal," Your examples do not fit into that category.

You are justifiably proud of your career as a prosthetist,and I do respect that, but just 2 things if I may?

1. Why do you feel it necessary to introduce it into every post you make?

2.Why do you believe it qualifies you to hold lordly court on boxing over us ordinary posters ,who have no skill in making false limbs?

I expressed my sincere gratitude to you when you defended me when I was banned.I meant it then and I mean it now.
However, that does not give you licence to insult me with every post you make,there is a limit to my gratitude.


Take care of yourself M.

[IronDanHamza]

Bill Tate was 6’ 6 1/2” and had an 81” reach. Big men were not unknown in Jack Dempsey’s time.

What an incredibly dumb example.