PBC won't help DAZN hurt their business

[The Big Dunn]

So he won't ever fight on DAZN and won't have any offers sent from the PBC.

BUT,

They ain't avoiding Joshua. Won't accept offers, won't create offers but it's wilder that wants the fight and joshua, who keeps sending career high offers, is the one ducking.


And these PBC wilder mongs want us to believe any of that?

The deal will be negotiated after AJ gets through with his mandos. Hearn sending career high offers is just PR that is designed to get a rise from idiot Brit posters like yourself who are hell bent on talking about ducking like children. Hearn wouldn't put AJ on SHO so why would anyone think Haymon would put Wilder on DAZN?

[The Big Dunn]

and that is EXACTLY why the Ali Act prohibits managers from getting involved in promotional activities. Its a CLEAR conflict of interest.....

The Ali act doesn't prevent managers from stopping promoters from making a deal tat isn't in the best interest of the fighter.

You know the deal isn't in the best interest of Wilder winning. Haymon should prevent him from signing the deal in this case.

[OnePunch]

Fan bois is not real. That is a childish term used here on NSB when people don't like that fans will not let them lie about Floyd, Haymon, Roy, Ward etc.

Yes they can. Its simple-you don't put your fighter in the position of fighting on another promoters card, on the network owned by the promoter, who will then have influence over the judges and refs selected, if winning is your top priority. You put your fighter in the position of having to win by KO or be in a perilous position. Many, many posters have discussed this going back years.

The thing here is the majority of posters have deemed Haymon the enemy (for reasons we all know). They want Haymon and his fighters to lose so they make it about the money rather than winning. A lot of those same posters are now saying "well that was the same thing with the $50 mil offer, it would've put AJ at a disadvantage", so Its clear they get exactly what is going on.

I didn't post you had to agree with my logic or you lacked integrity or knowledge. I posted Any poster with an ounce of integrity, knowledge of the sport, and common sense knows any promoter that was employed by wilder would be failing to do their job correctly if they advise him to take the deal to fight on DAZN. I don't see how you can disagree with that point.

you keep making this same claim over and over, and it is simply a lie. Officials are selected by the commission, NOT the promoter or network.

[sunny31]

Name calling doesn’t make your point valid.

Taking the deal would mean wilder would be putting himself in a cotto type situation when he fought manny. That simply isn’t smart business and isn’t giving your fighter the best chance to win.

To call that a conspiracy theory is just ****** and shows you lack a real understanding of how things go.

When the promoter is part owner of the network and has influence over the fights, that means The networks that have exclusive deals with fighters have the influence over fights.

No you're being obtuse, and its tested my patience enough, you need putting in your place. Cotto against Manny? He had a fair crack at the whip, he weighed 146lbs one fight before if that's what you're talking about. He also didnt have to take the fight.

Hearn isn't part owner of the network, do your ****ing research, its owned by a Ukranian, and the perform group is the umbrella company. Hearn has an exclusive contract, just as golden boy do . How many Matchroom fighters have fought Canelo now? Last I checked Jacobs-Canelo was on DAZN right?

When your biggest paycheck by far is the guy at a different network, and that network offers you a multi-fight deal worth miles and miles above anything you've ever made before...and you reject that deal, fight a harder fight for 1/4 of the money then I'm sorry but that is not a good business decision...and that is the bullchit that you're trying to sell here. He is the B side regardless, and whether 1, 2, or 50 networks are involved he'll still be the b-side.

What you do, is take the deal, make a boatload of money, KTFO the guy that you dont have a hope of out-pointing anyway (thus your point is completely moot) and become undisputed champion, the face of the network, and you control everything...end of ****ing story.

[The Big Dunn]

you keep making this same claim over and over, and it is simply a lie. Officials are selected by the commission, NOT the promoter or network.

I posted influence over who is selected, not that they select directly.

Come on Terry, you know the promoter has influence over the ref and the judges because they tend to pay for their transportation and lodging during the week of the fight. Also promoters often submit names of judges and refs they want. We've had this discussion before and you admitted such.

When the commission pays for these things and not the promoter only then will the influence be less.

Why is it you keep avoiding telling posters the real deal here?

[OnlytheTruth]

Why are so many posters acting so ****** over this? Every poster that accuses Wilder of ducking shows they lack any common sense. I get that posters hate Haymon and PBC and the Brits are desperate to shield AJ from the embarrassing loss to AJ but that shouldn't make posters just type ******ed gibberish.

I think you mean Wilder.

AJ isn't DAZN. I don't see any fights on DAZN because its not available in the UK. To me, AJ is a Matchroom fighter. DAZN are a streaming platform not a stable.

You are mixing it all up. I couldn't care less how AJ fights are shown in the US.

Spinning the whole Wilder with DAZN thing as a power-play by Joshua fans is just clutching at thin air. This whole DiBella thing is silly. The bottom line is; Wilder went to the meeting with DAZN.

There is enough evidence that shows Wilder was interested in what DAZN had to offer. Nothing to do with AJ other than there would have been the main fight.

[NaijaD]

you keep making this same claim over and over, and it is simply a lie. Officials are selected by the commission, NOT the promoter or network.

Yeah I was wondering why that keeps getting repeated. Is that another background thing that Haymon secretly has control of? Lol

Also I’m not sure why Wilder needs to be concerned about judges seeing as he usually doesn’t win any rounds and he’s not beating AJ on points. If he’s winning it’s by turning the lights off on Joshua..... also if anything up until this point he’s had the rub of the green from the judges anyway.

[OnePunch]

I posted influence over who is selected, not that they select directly.

Come on Terry, you know the promoter has influence over the ref and the judges because they tend to pay for their transportation and lodging during the week of the fight. Also promoters often submit names of judges and refs they want. We've had this discussion before and you admitted such.

When the commission pays for these things and not the promoter only then will the influence be less.

Why is it you keep avoiding telling posters the real deal here?

every commission charges fees to the promoter for the officials expenses. Some states the promoter writes the checks and gives them to the commission for them to distribute, some states you pay a flat fee to the commission and they handle payment themselves. The promoter never gives pay envelopes directly to an official. Either way the promoter ultimately incurs the expense. A promoter cannot request specific officials. And a promoter can really only object to an official if they can point to specific instances of bias or incompetence. Requesting the removal of an official is a dicey proposition, because if the commission doesnt grant the request, then maybe you have someone with a grudge officiating your fight.

And if you truly believe that a judge or referee is going to risk their career over a couple of buffet tickets, then you need your head examined. The biggest problem with officials these days is incompetence, not corruption

[Szef]

Fan bois is not real. That is a childish term used here on NSB when people don't like that fans will not let them lie about Floyd, Haymon, Roy, Ward etc.

Yes they can. Its simple-you don't put your fighter in the position of fighting on another promoters card, on the network owned by the promoter, who will then have influence over the judges and refs selected, if winning is your top priority. You put your fighter in the position of having to win by KO or be in a perilous position. Many, many posters have discussed this going back years.

The thing here is the majority of posters have deemed Haymon the enemy (for reasons we all know). They want Haymon and his fighters to lose so they make it about the money rather than winning. A lot of those same posters are now saying "well that was the same thing with the $50 mil offer, it would've put AJ at a disadvantage", so Its clear they get exactly what is going on.

I didn't post you had to agree with my logic or you lacked integrity or knowledge. I posted Any poster with an ounce of integrity, knowledge of the sport, and common sense knows any promoter that was employed by wilder would be failing to do their job correctly if they advise him to take the deal to fight on DAZN. I don't see how you can disagree with that point.

Two questions.

Did Wilder duck Joshua when he turned down the dazn deal?

Did Joshua duck Wilder when he turned down the 50 million deal?

Simple yes or no.

[The Big Dunn]

every commission charges fees to the promoter for the officials expenses. Some states the promoter writes the checks and gives them to the commission for them to distribute, some states you pay a flat fee to the commission and they handle payment themselves. The promoter never gives pay envelopes directly to an official. Either way the promoter ultimately incurs the expense. A promoter cannot request specific officials. And a promoter can really only object to an official if they can point to specific instances of bias or incompetence. Requesting the removal of an official is a dicey proposition, because if the commission doesnt grant the request, then maybe you have someone with a grudge officiating your fight.

And if you truly believe that a judge or referee is going to risk their career over a couple of buffet tickets, then you need your head examined. The biggest problem with officials these days is incompetence, not corruption

As I posted, the promoter has influence over the selection. While they can't request specific officials, they do provide lists and can essentially veto. This is all I was posting. It was disingenuous of you to post that I was reposting lies or my post was in any way inaccurate.

You posted If you were Wilder's promoter you wouldn't have advised Wilder to take that $100 mil deal.

I just wanted to clarify these 2 points.