PBC won't help DAZN hurt their business

[Curt Henning]

I am seeing it objectively, because FACTS dont lie. I point out the legal distinctions between MANAGERS and PROMOTERS, but people like Dunn dont care. It doesnt matter to them. Haymon is acting in his own interests first, which is just fine if you are a promoter. When you are a manager, ehhhh, then its not so good.

The wacky thing is that everyone agrees that Haymon wont let Wilder fight on DAZN, regardless of the money. And they see no problem with that whatsoever. But man if Hearn or someone else who has no fiduciary duty does the same thing, they lose their minds............

the problem is, terry, that you keep pointing out the distinctions.....over and over and over....but weve been over this....accept reality...haymon is being allowed to do what hes doing...and its not going to be put to a stop

for all intents and purposes...haymon is the promoter..of wilder, spence, tank, etc.....we know this....we accept it for what it is.....

i don't know why you feel the need to point out what haymon says he is vs. what he is....its not going to change...im sorry it hurt the business in your eyes...and put friends of yours out of business....its been going on for awhile now and isn't going to change

accept that haymon is the promoter...no matter what licenses he holds or what title he has....im not sure why you feel the need to beat this dead horse.....it wreaks of scorn and vendetta

[OnePunch]

There is nothing to defend. You quoted someone who was once a legitimate boxing promoter who has twice admitted they would have rejected the deal same as Haymon did.

Now what narrative are you talking about because at no pint did I post anything about it going to the cards.

let me try and make this clear.......

PROMOTER - allowed to put their own interests ahead of the fighter.

MANAGER - NOT allowed to put their own interests ahead of the fighter.


Does this help?

[The Big Dunn]

Have you lost your mind? I never altered anything.

Here were your points:

1. Wilder fighting on another platform is bad because the judges are automatically biased for the other promoter/network

2. Wilder should not sacrifice winning for money.



Those were YOUR points. The logical conclusion to be drawn is that you see a scenario where Wilder would outbox AJ but get jobbed on the cards. And that is an ABSURD premise......

Did I post that specifically? No I did not.

The logical conclusion, which I pointed out before, is Wilder and his team would be putting himself in a situation where he almost has to win by KO. Do I think Wilder will outbox AJ, no. That doesn't mean taking the deal isn't a bad decision.

You posted you would make the same decision Haymon made here. How about educating people why you'd do that.

[Curt Henning]

terry...repeat after me

"al haymon is really the promoter of the pbc fighters.....al haymon is really the promoter of the pbc fighters....no matter what licenses he has or doesn't have...no matter what licenses he has or doesn't have...no matter what his official title is....no matter what"

say it loud...and repeat it over...it might help you come to terms with it for once...its not going to change

[The Big Dunn]

I am seeing it objectively, because FACTS dont lie. I point out the legal distinctions between MANAGERS and PROMOTERS, but people like Dunn dont care. It doesnt matter to them. Haymon is acting in his own interests first, which is just fine if you are a promoter. When you are a manager, ehhhh, then its not so good.

The wacky thing is that everyone agrees that Haymon wont let Wilder fight on DAZN, regardless of the money. And they see no problem with that whatsoever. But man if Hearn, or Arum, or someone else who has no fiduciary duty does the same thing, they lose their minds............

let me try and make this clear.......

PROMOTER - allowed to put their own interests ahead of the fighter.

MANAGER - NOT allowed to put their own interests ahead of the fighter.


Does this help?

you keep saying that IYO Haymon rejecting the deal is putting his interest ahead of Wilder's.

The problem I am having with that is you by your own admission wouldn't put Wilder in that position either.

It's as if you are saying Haymon should be telling Wilder to take a deal you know puts him in a precarious position.

[The Big Dunn]

i like terry...i think hes a good guy...but he hates anything and everything that involves haymon...he will rarely say anything positive about anyone involved with them...and if it he does its backhanded or a morsel....he never has anything good to say about them...haymon put a lot of his friends out of business....i get it.....but at a certain point you have to get over that and see things objectively

Yeah I get that he has a lot of resentment toward Haymon. Ok, I can understand why.

This whole back and forth is ridiculous. Terry would arrive at the same decision Haymon made. This is the prefect time to educate assclowns like DaNuetral and Sunny31 by giving us insight as to why he as a promoter would make this decision. They may not agree, which is their right. At least we'd be having an educated discussion.

Instead you have to essentially "pull teeth" to get him to admit it.

If you feel Haymon is violating the Ali Act, ok, In reality he is the defacto promoter and made the same decision.

Lets talk about why.

[OnePunch]

the problem is, terry, that you keep pointing out the distinctions.....over and over and over....but weve been over this....accept reality...haymon is being allowed to do what hes doing...and its not going to be put to a stop

for all intents and purposes...haymon is the promoter..of wilder, spence, tank, etc.....we know this....we accept it for what it is.....

i don't know why you feel the need to point out what haymon says he is vs. what he is....its not going to change...im sorry it hurt the business in your eyes...and put friends of yours out of business....its been going on for awhile now and isn't going to change

accept that haymon is the promoter...no matter what licenses he holds or what title he has....im not sure why you feel the need to beat this dead horse.....it wreaks of scorn and vendetta

oh I agree totally, its not going to stop. The DOJ has never filed an Ali Act violation against anyone, ever, and probably wont. Its not a priority for them. And as evidenced by the Golden Boy vs Haymon lawsuit, even if a civil court sees that Haymon is crossing the line, unless SPECIFIC damages can be proven by the plaintiff, they wont act on it either.

But it annoys me to no end when a few people consistently mis-state the law, or pretend that what Haymon is doing is just dandy, only because its Haymon.

But yeah, I agree. Its probably not a good use of my time. LOL. But I really only do it when I have a few minutes to kill. And I ****** up a few ribs the other day so I'm taking it somewhat easy for the past few days which freed up a little time......lol

[OnePunch]

I don't understand why he will not use the space to educate other posters as to why he would reject the deal. I keep asking him to and terry keeps avoiding that.


Terry you keep saying that IYO Haymon rejecting the deal is putting his interest ahead of Wilder's.

The problem I am having with that is you by your own admission wouldn't put Wilder in that position either. It's as if you are saying Haymon should be telling Wilder to take a deal you know puts him in a precarious position.

Ive answered it multiple times. As a PROMOTER, if I had a network content deal, I would do everything I could to keep my talent from fighting on another platform, as that is what would best serve MY interests.

Furthermore, I would try to do as many "in-house" promotions as possible, so that I did not have to share revenue with another promoter.

And as a PROMOTER, there is nothing wrong with that.


When someone is supposed to be confined by the obligations and restrictions of being a MANAGER, then its a different story......

[The Big Dunn]

Ive answered it multiple times. As a PROMOTER, if I had a network content deal, I would do everything I could to keep my talent from fighting on another platform, as that is what would best serve MY interests.

Furthermore, I would try to do as many "in-house" promotions as possible, so that I did not have to share revenue with another promoter.

And as a PROMOTER, there is nothing wrong with that.


When someone is supposed to be confined by the obligations and restrictions of being a MANAGER, then its a different story......

To the bolded-This has been my whole point all along.

As to your 2nd point-while I don't agree with you that Haymon is solely the manager (I think Curt is 100% correct he is the defacto promoter), I respect the fact you feel the decision ultimately violates the Ali Act and that him rejecting the deal was wrong.

So we are clear, I don't think Haymon is right simply because it's Haymon. I think he made the right decision with regards to the offer for the reasons I stated.

My larger issue is too many posters decide right and wrong based solely on if it's Haymon/PBC or not. I don't think that is right or fair.

[sunny31]

Yeah I get that he has a lot of resentment toward Haymon. Ok, I can understand why.

This whole back and forth is ridiculous. Terry would arrive at the same decision Haymon made. This is the prefect time to educate assclowns like DaNuetral and Sunny31 by giving us insight as to why he as a promoter would make this decision. They may not agree, which is their right. At least we'd be having an educated discussion.

Instead you have to essentially "pull teeth" to get him to admit it.

If you feel Haymon is violating the Ali Act, ok, In reality he is the defacto promoter and made the same decision.

Lets talk about why.

I dont need educating you condescending ***wit, I have plenty of knowledge on the subject albeit at a lower level. I've been watching boxing longer than you and posting here longer than you.

You are the only person in this discussion (opinions aside) who has posted incorrect information...twice.

And yes Wilder did the right thing, sure...as his comparitive earnings and his record now indicate (rolls eyes)

If he takes the L that he should have in the first Fury fight, this will be the biggest financial fail that I can remember in boxing