Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

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They also brought up Floyd winning by a wide margin. One can question whether it was entertaining or not. there is no question who won the fight.

Whether you were at the edge of your seat or passed out, Floyd won the fight without doing much because his opponent did less.

That was discussed here.

The fight was fought at Floyd's pace, for the most part. That favored Floyd. Manny is expected to fight more aggressively and have a higher punch count. The way it was fought, perception would have it that Floyd won. Yet, when you look at each round, yes, Manny does not do much BUT Floyd did less in some of those rounds that they gave to Floyd. A good example is round 3. Manny had a good round. Clocked Floyd a few times but the commentators looked more at what didn't happen than what did happen. Floyd did very little that round. So how can one give him that round? Because of perceptions.

For example: Commentators, like us, saw the hugs. So that stopped Manny's offense at times. True .... but before the hug, the commentators didn't see or comment that Manny got a few punches in. Or that Floyd did less than Manny.

[Johnwoo8686]

Wait a sec. You said we shouldn't use slo-mo (see your first post) but then you want me to check it out in slo-mo for the Bradley fight?

Marquez thought it would be tough for Manny because Floyd does NOT fight. So that style plus the fight being in Vegas, Manny had no chance unless its a KO and like I said, not easy to KO when someone fights very defensive. Another example is Clottey who turtled up. So not an easy task when a fighter fights very defensively.

Casuals and non-casuals (heard commentary, for example) alike said this. People who came over to my place, as an example, saw this. Asked if its legal to do all that fouling as it was obvious to see what Floyd was doing. After the fight, the commentary all over the media was about Floyd's hugging, it included all his fouling. Hugging, pushing off, head lock, bending below the waist, ......... Comedians brought it up weeks after the fight. It brought down the entertainment value of the fight to a joke.




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I don't believe in the whole "slow mo" thing. I was trying to show you the hypocrisy of Pacquiao fans citing slow motion videos of Floyd vs Pacquiao but refusing to do that with Pacquiao Bradley. I believe Manny beat Bradley but I also know that fight was close. I don't believe Manny beat Floyd, what is so hard for you to understand?

When Marquez said Floyd doesn't fight he was implying Floyd doesn't "exchange" and that is what makes him difficult to fight. But again Marquez has ALWAYS maintained that Floyd was a superior boxer. He's said that Mayweather had more intelligence in the ring than Manny but there you go being selective again.

And for those people who didn't know if Floyd's clinching was legal? the answer is yes it was. I've seen far more fouling from Ali, Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Vladimir Klitskcho and those guys didn't get deducted points. But for some reason people all of a sudden want to play ref. I heard Freddie Roach wanted Kenny Bayless as the ref. Even if Kenny had deducted two points from Floyd, Floyd would have STILL won. Quit complaining

[MindBat]

Floyd vs Manny:

Floyd did what he did for a reason. It would make it difficult for Manny to mount a consistent offense and the ref allowed it.

The reason Floyd used those "tactics"
is because they were legal boxing tactics he knew Manny had no defense for.

It's pretty obvious by now Manny wasn't expecting nor trained for another side of Floyd which he couldn't figure out.
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[ADP02]

I don't believe in the whole "slow mo" thing. I was trying to show you the hypocrisy of Pacquiao fans citing slow motion videos of Floyd vs Pacquiao but refusing to do that with Pacquiao Bradley. I believe Manny beat Bradley but I also know that fight was close. I don't believe Manny beat Floyd, what is so hard for you to understand?

When Marquez said Floyd doesn't fight he was implying Floyd doesn't "exchange" and that is what makes him difficult to fight. But again Marquez has ALWAYS maintained that Floyd was a superior boxer. He's said that Mayweather had more intelligence in the ring than Manny but there you go being selective again.

And for those people who didn't know if Floyd's clinching was legal? the answer is yes it was. I've seen far more fouling from Ali, Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Vladimir Klitskcho and those guys didn't get deducted points. But for some reason people all of a sudden want to play ref. I heard Freddie Roach wanted Kenny Bayless as the ref. Even if Kenny had deducted two points from Floyd, Floyd would have STILL won. Quit complaining

It wasn't about refusal to believe slo-mo. Manny lost both fights because of Vegas judging. If you can say that the Bradley fight was close then how can you not see that Floyd vs Manny fight was close? There were enough close rounds and very little action, especially by Floyd to call this a close fight. All offensive highlights were of Manny clocking Floyd. I was more impressed with Manny defensively as well. Manny did it with no need to foul. Floyd needed to foul.


Marquez: Here is what I was talking about. He said it just before the Manny vs Floyd fight.
"but we all know how things are done when fighting Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas. In that city the officials protect him, let him do everything. Fighting him there is a burden".... "Look, do you know how Mayweather can be beaten? Only by KO and how can you KO an opponent who does not want to fight, who does not throw punches, and hits you with jabs and you have won the round but they still give it to Floyd " - Juan Marquez


Fouling:
You first say it wasn't Fouling then say that others foul more than Floyd.

Just because someone does not get points deducted does not mean there was no fouling. Wladimir fouls also even when no points are deducted. When he came to the USA he was deducted points and tried harder to not foul because he was aware that he lost home turf advantage. Floyd has home turf advantage and gets away with the fouling.
Khan got deducted 2 points for pushing off against Peterson. If it was Floyd, he would get 0 points deducted.
Maidana fight, Floyd did his share of fouling including elbowing. Only Maidana got deducted a point. Ref, Kenny Bayless, admitted that he had Maidana marked for what he did in other fights and was ready to deduct points and did. Ref, forgets what Floyd did in his past fights.

[The Big Dunn]

That was discussed here.

The fight was fought at Floyd's pace, for the most part. That favored Floyd. Manny is expected to fight more aggressively and have a higher punch count. The way it was fought, perception would have it that Floyd won. Yet, when you look at each round, yes, Manny does not do much BUT Floyd did less in some of those rounds that they gave to Floyd. A good example is round 3. Manny had a good round. Clocked Floyd a few times but the commentators looked more at what didn't happen than what did happen. Floyd did very little that round. So how can one give him that round? Because of perceptions.

For example: Commentators, like us, saw the hugs. So that stopped Manny's offense at times. True .... but before the hug, the commentators didn't see or comment that Manny got a few punches in. Or that Floyd did less than Manny.

Why would any rational person consider a video some pac fan doctored as actual proof other than another pac fan desperate to make Manny the winner of the fight?

Floyd won rounds because he did more than Manny. He punched more and he landed more. Manny just isn't as good as Floyd. Never was, never will be.

Nothing you post is ever going to change the fact that Floyd won the fight.

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The reason Floyd used those "tactics"
is because they were legal boxing tactics he knew Manny had no defense for.

It's pretty obvious by now Manny wasn't expecting nor trained for another side of Floyd which he couldn't figure out.
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You don't even believe what you posted. Head locks is legal?
Pushing off is legal? Go ask Khan. He got 2 points deducted for pushing off.
Lots of fighters get deducted points for doing the same thing that Floyd does. Maidana, No previous hard warnings and BOOM, got a point deducted for elbowing. Floyd did that too in the fight, no points deducted. PLEASE!!!

[ADP02]

Why would any rational person consider a video some pac fan doctored as actual proof other than another pac fan desperate to make Manny the winner of the fight?

Floyd won rounds because he did more than Manny. He punched more and he landed more. Manny just isn't as good as Floyd. Never was, never will be.

Nothing you post is ever going to change the fact that Floyd won the fight.

Doctored?

You present your point of view and proof for Floyd winning a round, I point and prove Manny won the round. Its that simple.

I did that with round 3, for example. Once the Floyd fan saw that he had little to show for Floyd winning, yes, he then resorted to what he called "trickery" but there was none of that. It was just his way to hopefully hide the facts (sweep them under the rug). Maybe that is your intentions as well.

[BushidospearIT]

p*ctard and fl*mo accounts from 2008 in 3...2...1...

tbe I wonder what will happen to this thread now

[BushidospearIT]

there will be no rematch, floyd needs to fight a complete bum or a young lion. i don't care which.

[The Big Dunn]

Doctored?

You present your point of view and proof for Floyd winning a round, I point and prove Manny won the round. Its that simple.

I did that with round 3, for example. Once the Floyd fan saw that he had little to show for Floyd winning, yes, he then resorted to what he called "trickery" but there was none of that. It was just his way to hopefully hide the facts (sweep them under the rug). Maybe that is your intentions as well.

its been 2 months since the fight. Floyd won. Manny lost. Nothing has changed since then.

The judges know how to score a fight and you don't. You are arguing against the judges scoring the round because you are a Manny fan and are upset he lost. Had Manny actually won, you wouldn't be using doctored videos.

Floyd is just better than Manny. As a Manny fan, you should be happy he used to be mentioned in the same breath as Floyd for as long as he was. Manny is a 1st ballot HOF'er. That is quite an accomplishment. Floyd is just an ATG. HOF'ers tend to lose to ATG's.

Just let that be good enough. Stop putting him on a pedestal he doesn't belong on.

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