Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

[Johnwoo8686]

It wasn't about refusal to believe slo-mo. Manny lost both fights because of Vegas judging. If you can say that the Bradley fight was close then how can you not see that Floyd vs Manny fight was close? There were enough close rounds and very little action, especially by Floyd to call this a close fight. All offensive highlights were of Manny clocking Floyd. I was more impressed with Manny defensively as well. Manny did it with no need to foul. Floyd needed to foul.


Marquez: Here is what I was talking about. He said it just before the Manny vs Floyd fight.
"but we all know how things are done when fighting Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas. In that city the officials protect him, let him do everything. Fighting him there is a burden".... "Look, do you know how Mayweather can be beaten? Only by KO and how can you KO an opponent who does not want to fight, who does not throw punches, and hits you with jabs and you have won the round but they still give it to Floyd " - Juan Marquez


Fouling:
You first say it wasn't Fouling then say that others foul more than Floyd.

Just because someone does not get points deducted does not mean there was no fouling. Wladimir fouls also even when no points are deducted. When he came to the USA he was deducted points and tried harder to not foul because he was aware that he lost home turf advantage. Floyd has home turf advantage and gets away with the fouling.
Khan got deducted 2 points for pushing off against Peterson. If it was Floyd, he would get 0 points deducted.
Maidana fight, Floyd did his share of fouling including elbowing. Only Maidana got deducted a point. Ref, Kenny Bayless, admitted that he had Maidana marked for what he did in other fights and was ready to deduct points and did. Ref, forgets what Floyd did in his past fights.

Floyd versus Manny wasn't close. Every time Manny had some success he would just cease to preserve his own energy. He didn't fight at the high octane level he needed to. Floyd landed the cleaner shots, he controlled the pace (which is a scoring criteria), he had the better defense, and neither guy was really effective with their aggression. Yes Manny did land the heavier blows when he was able to land but the man himself said he thought he only hurt Floyd 3 times. And those three times were in the rounds that the judges gave him which were rounds 4, 6, and 9.

You keep referring to Marquez's quote but Marquez has always maintained Floyd would beat Manny regardless. In the HBO documentary before the fight Marquez said "Mayweather is more intelligent than Pacquiao." And I'm sure Marquez didn't thank Manny won that fight on May 2nd.

Clinching is not really a foul per se but when you do it excessively like Broner did against Porter it IS a foul. And like I said to you in the last post even if Floyd was deducted two points he would have STILL won the fight! That is just the simple math.

And fouling would be like Manny hitting Marquez while he was on the canvas in their first fight. That kind of move can get you disqualified ala Roy Jones but Manny wasn't. I also thought Manny lost their third fight but got given a gift decision. But I didn't see the same uproar from Pacquiao fans.

[Larry the boss]

Floyd fans response: Floyd is supposed to hug, headlock, push off, ..... that is foul. No other way or else he would get hit.


Like I said, Manny's defensive was actually more impressive than Floyd's. Manny didn't have to do all that fouling and still Floyd hardly hit Manny except for the occasional "touch" jabs.


Floyd fans now want Floyd to foul ....... Thanks for the laugh.

Im not here to argue the fight because there is nothing to argue about, it is over Mayweather won a wide decision..i was replying to you saying he what he did made it hard for Pacquiao to sustain an offense

[Larry the boss]

Castillo 1 was 4/20/2002. Castillo 2 was 12/7/02 After that fight he fought in:

Fresno
Grand Rapids
Atlantic city
Miami
Atlantic city
Portland

Before fighting again in Vegas. So your point is wrong and ******ed. call it wrongtarded.

Please dont post common sense and or facts,they ignore that

[ADP02]

Castillo 1 was 4/20/2002. Castillo 2 was 12/7/02 After that fight he fought in:

Fresno
Grand Rapids
Atlantic city
Miami
Atlantic city
Portland

Before fighting again in Vegas. So your point is wrong and ******ed. call it wrongtarded.

Like I said, this was before Floyd was making big money or you missed that?

My post mentioned that he was OK with San Francisco or you missed that?

The point is that from back then Floyd was already picking his spots where NOT to fight because he may lose due to what he thought was someone else's home court advantage and didn't trust the judges due to that. My post mentioned that and that was my point or you missed that?


So my point was right and you can call yourself whatever you want for being wrong!

[Larry the boss]

Like I said, this was before Floyd was making big money or you missed that?

My post mentioned that he was OK with San Francisco or you missed that?

The point is that from back then Floyd was already picking his spots where NOT to fight because he may lose due to what he thought was someone else's home court advantage and didn't trust the judges due to that. My post mentioned that and that was my point or you missed that?


So my point was right and you can call yourself whatever you want for being wrong!

All fighters negotiate location man,this is nothing new.

[johnm is...]

Castillo 1 was 4/20/2002. Castillo 2 was 12/7/02 After that fight he fought in:

Fresno
Grand Rapids
Atlantic city
Miami
Atlantic city
Portland

Before fighting again in Vegas. So your point is wrong and ******ed. call it wrongtarded.

[The Big Dunn]

It was too prove to you that Floyd knows that Vegas is the place that protects Floyd and that he was afraid to fight elsewhere where he loses his home court advantage that you said "does not happen in boxing" . Back then Floyd was not making as much as nowadays. If the fight was in LA, Arum said it would have attracted a bigger audience.

Castillo 1 was 4/20/2002. Castillo 2 was 12/7/02 After that fight he fought in:

Fresno
Grand Rapids
Atlantic city
Miami
Atlantic city
Portland

Before fighting again in Vegas. So your point is wrong and ******ed. call it wrongtarded.

Like I said, this was before Floyd was making big money or you missed that?

My post mentioned that he was OK with San Francisco or you missed that?

The point is that from back then Floyd was already picking his spots where NOT to fight because he may lose due to what he thought was someone else's home court advantage and didn't trust the judges due to that. My post mentioned that and that was my point or you missed that?


So my point was right and you can call yourself whatever you want for being wrong!

the bolded is what you said your point was. the underlined is what you are now saying once that was refuted.

It's cool dude. Floyd still defeated Manny.

[Larry the boss]

It was too prove to you that Floyd knows that Vegas is the place that protects Floyd and that he was afraid to fight elsewhere where he loses his home court advantage that you said "does not happen in boxing" . Back then Floyd was not making as much as nowadays. If the fight was in LA, Arum said it would have attracted a bigger audience.

Out of 48 fights he has fought in Vegas 24 times....so were the other half of his fights home court advantage?

[ADP02]

Floyd versus Manny wasn't close. Every time Manny had some success he would just cease to preserve his own energy. He didn't fight at the high octane level he needed to. Floyd landed the cleaner shots, he controlled the pace (which is a scoring criteria), he had the better defense, and neither guy was really effective with their aggression. Yes Manny did land the heavier blows when he was able to land but the man himself said he thought he only hurt Floyd 3 times. And those three times were in the rounds that the judges gave him which were rounds 4, 6, and 9.

You keep referring to Marquez's quote but Marquez has always maintained Floyd would beat Manny regardless. In the HBO documentary before the fight Marquez said "Mayweather is more intelligent than Pacquiao." And I'm sure Marquez didn't thank Manny won that fight on May 2nd.

Clinching is not really a foul per se but when you do it excessively like Broner did against Porter it IS a foul. And like I said to you in the last post even if Floyd was deducted two points he would have STILL won the fight! That is just the simple math.

And fouling would be like Manny hitting Marquez while he was on the canvas in their first fight. That kind of move can get you disqualified ala Roy Jones but Manny wasn't. I also thought Manny lost their third fight but got given a gift decision. But I didn't see the same uproar from Pacquiao fans.

See, you are proving my point. Its all about perception. Why did Manny have to do a lot more since you say that he was conserving energy but you do not say that about Floyd who did little in this fight?

Marquez knows how Floyd fights and that the fight is in Vegas. That quote was just before the fight and it was Marquez's words, not mine. Marquez just happens to agree with me.


Fouling:
You can foul once and get points deducted. You do not have to do it excessively. When you intentionally reach out and grab your opponent that is a foul. Its not a foul because you did it more than once. Its a foul, period! The ref just lets it go more. Kenny Bayless always does. While it is rare, you can get DQd for doing it just one time if the ref wants! Maidana elbowed Floyd once and got a point deducted. Floyd did the same but didn't. What about that?


Manny could have got a point deducted but if you watch the replay, you can see that from Manny's angle, he probably didn't see Marquez's hand on the canvas behind him. Marquez was NOT down except for that.
Floyd has been more blatant in this area and never came close to being called. I can show you replays where he could have been DQd .... but I'm sure you do not want to go there.

[ADP02]

Im not here to argue the fight because there is nothing to argue about, it is over Mayweather won a wide decision..i was replying to you saying he what he did made it hard for Pacquiao to sustain an offense

Hmmm, no you didn't. You want Floyd to be able to do whatever he wants as long as he does not get hit. That is sad even for a Floyd fan.

Manny was able to not foul like Floyd but the so called defensive wizard couldn't according to Floyd fans or else he would get hit.