Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

[The Big Dunn]

Out of 48 fights he has fought in Vegas 24 times....so were the other half of his fights home court advantage?

Larry, stop using facts with these guys, they don't pay any attention to those.

[ADP02]

the bolded is what you said your point was. the underlined is what you are now saying once that was refuted.

It's cool dude. Floyd still defeated Manny.

Nice try .... not. My post stated other places other than Vegas where Floyd would be OK to fight. You didn't underline that or make that bold. So you missed it ..... got it.

We were discussing home court advantage and you said does not even exist in boxing. I said that not even Floyd believes you and gave you the example. So you are wrong in that department and you know that.

[Johnwoo8686]

See, you are proving my point. Its all about perception. Why did Manny have to do a lot more since you say that he was conserving energy but you do not say that about Floyd who did little in this fight?

Marquez knows how Floyd fights and that the fight is in Vegas. That quote was just before the fight and it was Marquez's words, not mine. Marquez just happens to agree with me.


Fouling:
You can foul once and get points deducted. You do not have to do it excessively. When you intentionally reach out and grab your opponent that is a foul. Its not a foul because you did it more than once. Its a foul, period! The ref just lets it go more. Kenny Bayless always does. While it is rare, you can get DQd for doing it just one time if the ref wants! Maidana elbowed Floyd once and got a point deducted. Floyd did the same but didn't. What about that?


Manny could have got a point deducted but if you watch the replay, you can see that from Manny's angle, he probably didn't see Marquez's hand on the canvas behind him. Marquez was NOT down except for that.
Floyd has been more blatant in this area and never came close to being called. I can show you replays where he could have been DQd .... but I'm sure you do not want to go there.

I'm not proving your point. Manny said after the fight he wanted to throw more but he wasn't able to due to Floyd's movement. Manny's work was messier while Floyd's was cleaner. So Floyd was the better ring general and had the cleaner punching. If you have to slow down a fight and mute it just to see if Manny was actually landing obviously his work was not clean and the judges didn't think so. Neither guy did much but Floyd did more than Manny in most of the rounds.

Well Marquez also agrees with me when he said that Floyd is the superior boxer so you're point is kind of irrelevant if Marquez believed Floyd would beat Manny regardless.

And if you want to deduct fighters points or disqualify them for every time they've ever reached out and grabbed their opponent a lot of so called all time greats would have losses by DQ on their records, including Manny Pacquiao. Ref's only deduct points when it becomes excessive. And Floyd's clinching wasn't excessive. You keep ducking my final point. Even if Bayless had taken off points Floyd would have still won. So there you go again making another irrelevant point.

[ADP02]

Out of 48 fights he has fought in Vegas 24 times....so were the other half of his fights home court advantage?

Floyd has more control of his destiny now and you know that but even back then there were places where Floyd didn't want to fight because he believed it was someone else's home court advantage. Like Arum said, for Floyd LA is for Floyd like fighting Castillo in Mexico.

Vegas is not the only place that Floyd feels safe but that is where he gets the most protection. Vegas is for sure Floyd's home court advantage and you know that.


"but we all know how things are done when fighting Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas. In that city the officials protect him, let him do everything. Fighting him there is a burden".... "Look, do you know how Mayweather can be beaten? Only by KO and how can you KO an opponent who does not want to fight, who does not throw punches, and hits you with jabs and you have won the round but they still give it to Floyd" - Juan Marquez

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd resorted to fouling and having a HUGE home court advantage. What would you have said if it was the opposite? Manny's home court?

Everyone knows this but you and some Floyd fans.

"but we all know how things are done when fighting Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas. In that city the officials protect Floyd, let him do everything. Fighting him there is a burden".... "Look, do you know how Mayweather can be beaten? Only by KO and how can you KO an opponent who does not want to fight, who does not throw punches, and hits you with jabs and you have won the round but they still give it to Floyd" - Juan Marquez

Not even Floyd believes what you are saying. Why do you think Floyd's fights are all at Vegas?


Castillo 2 fight in LA rejected by Floyd:
"The promoter was angling for an immediate rematch, wanting Mayweather to agree to fight at Staples Center.

The fighter rejected the idea for an Aug. 10 date at Staples.
Mayweather didn’t trust the judges and didn’t want to fight in front of a strongly Latino crowd supporting Castillo.



“He doesn't know what he is doing,” Arum told The Times then. “He's got morons around him that have convinced him that fighting in L.A. is like fighting in Mexico. I don't know if he'll change his mind. Nobody can figure him out.

“I asked Floyd if he trusted the judges in L.A. and he said, 'No.’ I asked him if he trusted the judges in San Francisco and he said, 'Yeah.' He doesn't even know L.A. and San Francisco are in the same state.”

Probably because Vegas is the #1 boxing town in the US and the world. Why you would bring up quotes from 2002 in a discussion about 2015 is strange, but ok........

It was too prove to you that Floyd knows that Vegas is the place that protects Floyd and that he was afraid to fight elsewhere where he loses his home court advantage that you said "does not happen in boxing" Back then Floyd was not making as much as nowadays. If the fight was in LA, Arum said it would have attracted a bigger audience.

Castillo 1 was 4/20/2002. Castillo 2 was 12/7/02 After that fight he fought in:

Fresno
Grand Rapids
Atlantic city
Miami
Atlantic city
Portland

Before fighting again in Vegas. So your point is wrong and ******ed. call it wrongtarded.

Like I said, this was before Floyd was making big money or you missed that?

My post mentioned that he was OK with San Francisco or you missed that?

The point is that from back then Floyd was already picking his spots where NOT to fight because he may lose due to what he thought was someone else's home court advantage and didn't trust the judges due to that. My post mentioned that and that was my point or you missed that?

So my point was right and you can call yourself whatever you want for being wrong!

Nice try .... not. My post stated other places other than Vegas where Floyd would be OK to fight. You didn't underline that or make that bold. So you missed it ..... got it.

We were discussing home court advantage and you said does not even exist in boxing. I said that not even Floyd believes you and gave you the example. So you are wrong in that department and you know that.

Dude, you posted something in anger and didn't think. I pointed out where his next fights were. Larry pointed out 24/48 fights not in vegas.

Why you would use a quote from 2002 to prove something in 2015 is mind boggling. Maybe you should have thought maybe Bob was doing just what you did-respond out of anger and said something ******.

Same thing Kenny Porter did with what he said yesterday about Floyd facing young, black fighters.

Really no more to discuss. I get you like to diss Floyd, at least do it intelligently.

[ADP02]

I'm not proving your point. Manny said after the fight he wanted to throw more but he wasn't able to due to Floyd's movement. Manny's work was messier while Floyd's was cleaner. So Floyd was the better ring general and had the cleaner punching. If you have to slow down a fight and mute it just to see if Manny was actually landing obviously his work was not clean and the judges didn't think so. Neither guy did much but Floyd did more than Manny in most of the rounds.

Well Marquez also agrees with me when he said that Floyd is the superior boxer so you're point is kind of irrelevant if Marquez believed Floyd would beat Manny regardless.

And if you want to deduct fighters points or disqualify them for every time they've ever reached out and grabbed their opponent a lot of so called all time greats would have losses by DQ on their records, including Manny Pacquiao. Ref's only deduct points when it becomes excessive. And Floyd's clinching wasn't excessive. You keep ducking my final point. Even if Bayless had taken off points Floyd would have still won. So there you go again making another irrelevant point.

Manny was messier? Actually, I told you that it was Floyd who was. Floyd HAD TO foul or else would have been in insane trouble. You talk about movement but forget to add the fouls that often preceded that or happened instead of the movement. Also, like I said, you do not get credit for movement unless you back it up with good punching. Peterson can attest to that against Garcia. He was losing 5-1 and 6-0 for moving and jabbing similarly to Floyd in some of those rounds. But in that part of the woods, Garcia gets more credit and in Vegas, its Floyd for doing like Peterson. Oh, when did Peterson get credit? When he stopped moving and put solid punches together. Floyd NEVER did that. He didn't have to in Vegas.

Marquez though *****s all you said and spoke more freely by saying that nobody has a chance in Vegas because he fights in Vegas and knows that he does not have to do anything and will get the win. Its like he was clairvoyant because that is what happened.


Fouls:
No you are wrong. Kenny didn't even have to take away points from Floyd. If he gave Floyd hard warnings very early in the fight, Floyd would have to stop fouling or get points deducted. So the fight would change. If the fight changes, then it favors Manny. If it favors Manny, that means Manny would connect instead of being head locked, connect instead of being hugged to death. Floyd would even have more trouble moving without pushing off because Manny can tag Floyd.

Floyd fouls for a reason. He is allowed to and be the difference between a win and a loss. Can also frustrate opponents and if they foul back, they can and will lose points. Example is Maidana.

[Johnwoo8686]

Manny was messier? Actually, I told you that it was Floyd who was. Floyd HAD TO foul or else would have been in insane trouble. You talk about movement but forget to add the fouls that often preceded that or happened instead of the movement. Also, like I said, you do not get credit for movement unless you back it up with good punching. Peterson can attest to that against Garcia. He was losing 5-1 and 6-0 for moving and jabbing similarly to Floyd in some of those rounds. But in that part of the woods, Garcia gets more credit and in Vegas, its Floyd for doing like Peterson. Oh, when did Peterson get credit? When he stopped moving and put solid punches together. Floyd NEVER did that. He didn't have to in Vegas.

Marquez though *****s all you said and spoke more freely by saying that nobody has a chance in Vegas because he fights in Vegas and knows that he does not have to do anything and will get the win. Its like he was clairvoyant because that is what happened.


Fouls:
No you are wrong. Kenny didn't even have to take away points from Floyd. If he gave Floyd hard warnings very early in the fight, Floyd would have to stop fouling or get points deducted. So the fight would change. If the fight changes, then it favors Manny. If it favors Manny, that means Manny would connect instead of being head locked, connect instead of being hugged to death. Floyd would even have more trouble moving without pushing off because Manny can tag Floyd.

Floyd fouls for a reason. He is allowed to and be the difference between a win and a loss. Can also frustrate opponents and if they foul back, they can and will lose points. Example is Maidana.

Jesus Christ are you dense. Yes you do get credit for movement especially if your movement is keeping your opponent from opening up as often a he wants to. Manny even said Floyd's movement was the reason that he wasn't more offensive. That is called RING GENERALSHIP. If Floyd's movement caused Manny to miss or stop throwing punches that makes Floyd the ring general and the better one defensively. Which is probably why the judges, commentators, and ring side judges all saw Floyd winning. You Pacquiao fans now want to make up your own rules because the guy you wanted to win lost.

And a lot of people thought Peterson really beat Garcia so your point is moot. Marquez also said Floyd would BEAT Manny because he is more intelligent and he's said that for years. But you carefully pick and choose what facts you want to acknowledge.

And Kenny did give Floyd warnings especially for Floyd's leaning and told him "keep it clean" which why Floyd held a lot less than he did in the Maidana fight. Bayless did his job, just because you are not happy with who won don't blame him But none of that mattered, even when Floyd didn't grab Manny he was pivoting and pot shotting his way out of corners.

[Larry the boss]

Hmmm, no you didn't. You want Floyd to be able to do whatever he wants as long as he does not get hit. That is sad even for a Floyd fan.

Manny was able to not foul like Floyd but the so called defensive wizard couldn't according to Floyd fans or else he would get hit.

What fouls are you eluding to? he held maybe 14 times in 12 rounds thats a little over 1 hold a rounds,what are you talking about?

[Larry the boss]

Floyd has more control of his destiny now and you know that but even back then there were places where Floyd didn't want to fight because he believed it was someone else's home court advantage. Like Arum said, for Floyd LA is for Floyd like fighting Castillo in Mexico.

Vegas is not the only place that Floyd feels safe but that is where he gets the most protection. Vegas is for sure Floyd's home court advantage and you know that.


"but we all know how things are done when fighting Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas. In that city the officials protect him, let him do everything. Fighting him there is a burden".... "Look, do you know how Mayweather can be beaten? Only by KO and how can you KO an opponent who does not want to fight, who does not throw punches, and hits you with jabs and you have won the round but they still give it to Floyd" [I]- Juan Marquez[/I]

Juan was dominated with 0 grabbing and even floored,so why listen to him?? if we listen to him then he is 4-0 against Manny right?

and also since you want to quote Jmm he told Manny years ago Floyd would beat him easily

[Johnwoo8686]

Juan was dominated with 0 grabbing and even floored,so why listen to him?? if we listen to him then he is 4-0 against Manny right?

and also since you want to quote Jmm he told Manny years ago Floyd would beat him easily

I already told that guy that part. But he refuses to acknowledge that statement by Juan Manuel Marquez