Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

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yea probably not but from a neutral observer, you have a lot in common with this radioraheem, in that you both are idiot fanboys.

You don't know what you are talking about but come join the party ........ Just because we are fans, we can't discuss? That is usually what you do in boxing forums where there is purposefully a thread placed on the 2 fighters. You post.





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[ADP02]

NSAC simply wanted PROOF of an injury. Requesting proof is not denying that there is an injury. Proof is wanted for confirmation, verification. Just like a bar would want proof by seeing your driver's license, even though they may sense you're over 21. They don't know for a fact til they see the documentation. NSAC didn't get that, so they denied the request. They also wanted to know this type of information well in-advance before the fight. BEFORE THE FIGHT (and not just 90 mins before either, lol). This and after the fight is unacceptable.

As they said, the entire situation is unacceptable. Team Pacquiao even tried to throw USADA into the mix, and USADA denied having knowledge of the injury before the fight.

You are intentionally taking those quotes out of context. You have been doing that but I have been enjoying you cringe that I didn't even mention it.

What was unacceptable was that Manny was injured yet they didn't fill out the prefight form correctly. That is, the injury box was incorrectly checked but you are making it seem like it was because of something else. Not my words. The commissions.

If they checked that box, then the commissions doctors would have monitored the injury and approved the medication if they deemed it was acceptable to do so. Not my words. The commissions.


The quotes from the commissions never implied that there was no injury so that is why there is an investigation. That is your twisted brain thinking that is the case because you are quoting them. Its because there was an injury but the form was incorrectly filled.






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[AllBoxingAD]

You are saying that but they may have been fine with knowing the day before and having their own doctors confirm that it was severe enough to require the medication. The point is that they are aware that there is an injury but needed more time to evaluate the severity of the injury.
Its clear to anyone and everyone but you.

They are not saying that there is no injury. You can't find that quote so you are just throwing back nonsensical quotes and making it sound like the commissions are saying that there is no injury but in fact they are saying the exact opposite. Not only are they saying that they are aware of the injury. They are saying that because they are aware, that puts Manny's team in trouble because they didn't say it in the form. If they believe what you are saying, then Manny's team would not be investigated.
The form would be correct!

Question for you 48er.

Why was there such a lazy attitude by team Pac towards informing the NSAC about the injury and medication needed?

The entire thing such a FAIL on every level that I cant believe a Arum/Roach fighter would ever be in that position.

Lets count the ways.

- They dont check the box about having an injured shoulder.
- They say they thought USADA informed NSAC about it, but USADA never even knew about the injury and its not their job to inform NSAC about injuries (obviously).
- They wait until 90 before the fight to ask for the shot. Why such short notice for something as important as that?
- They had no documentation with them proving the injury. Didnt Pac take an MRI in the first place? They left the documents in the hotel room or what?
- Arum has made countless number of fights in Vegas. Same with Roach. They know the protocol when a fighter needs meds before a fight. Howcome everyone dropped the ball completely here?
- Team Pac cant make up their minds about if Pac came into the fight at 100% or not. If you come into the fight at 100%, why would you need a shot in the first place?

The entire thing stinks. This is the biggest fight of your career but you dont cross your i and dot your t in regards to medication you need to perform at your best? How can anyone not find all this fishy as hell?

[ADP02]

Question for you 48er.

Why was there such a lazy attitude by team Pac towards informing the NSAC about the injury and medication needed?

The entire thing such a FAIL on every level that I cant believe a Arum/Roach fighter would ever be in that position.

Lets count the ways.

- They dont check the box about having an injured shoulder.
- They say they thought USADA informed NSAC about it, but USADA never even knew about the injury and its not their job to inform NSAC about injuries (obviously).
- They wait until 90 before the fight to ask for the shot. Why such short notice for something as important as that?
- They had no documentation with them proving the injury. Didnt Pac take an MRI in the first place? They left the documents in the hotel room or what?
- Arum has made countless number of fights in Vegas. Same with Roach. They know the protocol when a fighter needs meds before a fight. Howcome everyone dropped the ball completely here?
- Team Pac cant make up their minds about if Pac came into the fight at 100% or not. If you come into the fight at 100%, why would you need a shot in the first place?

The entire thing stinks. This is the biggest fight of your career but you dont cross your i and dot your t in regards to medication you need to perform at your best? How can anyone not find all this fishy as hell?

The issue and I have been agreeing and stating it for a while now is that they incorrectly checked that box. That was the issue. If that was checked then it was up to the commissions to monitor and if they felt necessary, request for further information/documentation/interviews.

So that was their mistake.

Before that, they did everything right. They enquired about the meds and had a prescription for it. They contacted USADA and they had a written notice at least 5 days before the fight that the meds can be used for the fight.

There were witnesses who came forward to state that Manny did indeed have an injury. This included doctors, sparring partners and while late in the game, the commissions too has been quoted to state that they were aware of the injury. Finally, Manny had surgery to the same shoulder after the fight.


Funny thing is that since 2002, Floyd fans brought up Floyd's injury and supposed surgery without questioning it. Why? Why was Floyd's words believable to you while Manny's own doctor and surgery is not? Sparring partners is not. Commissions being aware before the fight? There was a definite injury there. For most objective people, there is enough information to agree on that but some Floyd fans have an agenda and put themselves in this corner and can't get themselves out. Fun to watch them cringe. They have no proof yet they are going to the deep end. Funny stuff!

[Jcsuper]

Two months after the fight, Pac fans still crying.

Wake up guys, Maidana, even Ortiz posed more challenge to Floyd than #48.

[The Big Dunn]

The issue and I have been agreeing and stating it for a while now is that they incorrectly checked that box. That was the issue. If that was checked then it was up to the commissions to monitor and if they felt necessary, request for further information/documentation/interviews.

So that was their mistake.

Before that, they did everything right. They enquired about the meds and had a prescription for it. They contacted USADA and they had a written notice at least 5 days before the fight that the meds can be used for the fight.

There were witnesses who came forward to state that Manny did indeed have an injury. This included doctors, sparring partners and while late in the game, the commissions too has been quoted to state that they were aware of the injury. Finally, Manny had surgery to the same shoulder after the fight.


Funny thing is that since 2002, Floyd fans brought up Floyd's injury and supposed surgery without questioning it. Why? Why was Floyd's words believable to you while Manny's own doctor and surgery is not? Sparring partners is not. Commissions being aware before the fight? There was a definite injury there. For most objective people, there is enough information to agree on that but some Floyd fans have an agenda and put themselves in this corner and can't get themselves out. Fun to watch them cringe. They have no proof yet they are going to the deep end. Funny stuff!

it wasn't a mistake, It was a lie.

They didn't do everything right-they didn't verify any injury.

Surgery after the fact in this case looks inappropriate, especially given the fact there have been 3 different reports of when the alleged injury occurred (a fact you like to ignore).

There is just as much evidence that the injury was not real, another fact you gloss over. How would a "witness" know the severity of an injury?

People believed Floyd most likely because their was corroborating evidence supporting an injury DURING THE FIGHT from the HBO announcers, Floyd and Floyd's corner all talking about the injury. Manny has none of this.

In addition, Floyd did not have an unnecessary medical condition performed on him by a Dr. previously. Manny had this.

Not only was that Dr. hired by his promoter, but there was no evidence that Manny actually needed medical treatment from his primary physician, who has not indicated he was aware of any injury at ANY time.

[radioraheem]

You are intentionally taking those quotes out of context. You have been doing that but I have been enjoying you cringe that I didn't even mention it.

What was unacceptable was that Manny was injured yet they didn't fill out the prefight form correctly. That is, the injury box was incorrectly checked but you are making it seem like it was because of something else. Not my words. The commissions.

If they checked that box, then the commissions doctors would have monitored the injury and approved the medication if they deemed it was acceptable to do so. Not my words. The commissions.

The quotes from the commissions never implied that there was no injury so that is why there is an investigation. That is your twisted brain thinking that is the case because you are quoting them. Its because there was an injury but the form was incorrectly filled.



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NSAC denied the medication because they had no proof of the injury. NSAC is not going to imply or deny an injury exists, they simply wanted proof/confirmation that it exists.

You ignorantly think that by simply filling a check-box, they'll get medication. No, there is a process. They will always want documentation and then speak with his physicians amongst other things. They will want to know when exactly the injury occurred. And if the documentation confirms everything, and the physicians also state he needs the medication, then they will make a decision. The situation was never going to favor them either way because NSAC should have known way before fight week that such an injury existed.

As NSAC already said, the entire situation is unacceptable.

[radioraheem]

Question for you 48er.

Why was there such a lazy attitude by team Pac towards informing the NSAC about the injury and medication needed?

The entire thing such a FAIL on every level that I cant believe a Arum/Roach fighter would ever be in that position.

Lets count the ways.

- They dont check the box about having an injured shoulder.
- They say they thought USADA informed NSAC about it, but USADA never even knew about the injury and its not their job to inform NSAC about injuries (obviously).
- They wait until 90 before the fight to ask for the shot. Why such short notice for something as important as that?
- They had no documentation with them proving the injury. Didnt Pac take an MRI in the first place? They left the documents in the hotel room or what?
- Arum has made countless number of fights in Vegas. Same with Roach. They know the protocol when a fighter needs meds before a fight. Howcome everyone dropped the ball completely here?
- Team Pac cant make up their minds about if Pac came into the fight at 100% or not. If you come into the fight at 100%, why would you need a shot in the first place?

The entire thing stinks. This is the biggest fight of your career but you dont cross your i and dot your t in regards to medication you need to perform at your best? How can anyone not find all this fishy as hell?

If you notice, he barely answered any of your very specific questions.

I'll answer though.

1. Either they checked the box truthfully that night, or they were blatantly lying. They filled it out together and two heads are allegedly better than one. It's difficult to believe it was just a 'mistake.' The funny thing is Floyd, who allegedly can't read, didn't make the same mistake and even wrote down when the injury happened.

2. It's funny. Top Rank/Team Pacquiao are on record saying they told USADA. and USADA immediately and publicly denied knowing about the injury. And NSAC also said it's unacceptable to expect USADA to inform them.

3. I like the 'left it in the hotel room' part. That's a good one. It's funny they didn't have any verifying documents to show NSAC.

4. NSAC pretty much said the same thing. That Top Rank has been in the business for a long time. They know the process and how it works.

5. Either he was 100% or he wasn't. His physicians said he was fine and healthy and not a health risk, didn't need the meds. So for all things concerned, if he was not 100%, he was pretty close to 100%. And if he was not, who's fault was that? The funny part is that allegedly he had the injury for more than a month. That's half of training camp! What a joke!

[Johnwoo8686]

Man, just rewatched this fight for the first time in weeks and Floyd easily beat this clown. It wasn't even close. Manny certainly had moments and certainly had the use of his right arm (he swung it repeatedly) but sadly it wasn't enough. His defense wasn't as sharp as it needed to be, he didn't cut off the ring like he needed to, and didn't throw enough combinations in the center of the ring. Manny threw combos mostly when Floyd was on the ropes but Floyd would parry, counter, block, spoil, or simply circle off the ropes.

Pacquiao fans just relax and take your loss like men instead of whining and complaining months after the fact like passive aggressive females

[Spoon23]

Man, just rewatched this fight for the first time in weeks and Floyd easily beat this clown. It wasn't even close. Manny certainly had moments and certainly had the use of his right arm (he swung it repeatedly) but sadly it wasn't enough. His defense wasn't as sharp as it needed to be, he didn't cut off the ring like he needed to, and didn't throw enough combinations in the center of the ring. Manny threw combos mostly when Floyd was on the ropes but Floyd would parry, counter, block, spoil, or simply circle off the ropes.

Pacquiao fans just relax and take your loss like men instead of whining and complaining months after the fact like passive aggressive females

Since you have the time to watch the fight on replay. Might as well watch a thorough point by point connected punch per round by both men. That shows Pac really won that night hehe

Enjoy! Pac won this dance. And that's just with one effective hand.