Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

[BrometheusBob.]

No what happened is you did something ******, I called you on it, asked some questions regarding your post and you wouldn't answer them because you know that my point is exactly right.

You are not trying to have an honest discussion about the fight, you want to troll or whine. You can't expect to post what you did, or any variation of what we've seen from guys like you, Spoon23, ADOP2, GODFR33, rath, HYpe Job, or any other Manny diehard still upset and expect to be taken seriously.

I never suggested that the clip that I had was a high percentage of the fight. I didn't answer your question because it was missing the point. I was trying to point out (and did so successfully apparently judging from your response) that it is totally believable that the commentators representation of the fight *could be* inaccurate. If you agree that that snippet was, then you have to agree that other parts of the commentating *could be* inaccurate. When you know this and yet dismiss everyone else's points about the commentating that has already been made earlier in this thread, you aren't being consistent.

I was not trying to suggest that every single word that they said during the fight was misleading.

I may be upset, but putting me with Spoon seems a little unfair. I haven't denied that Manny lost the fight for instance.

[BrometheusBob.]

No it doesnt and Ill tell you why.

#48 made the conscious decision to go through with the fight knowing his condition. So he created those circumstances.

You dont get to make that decision, lose, and then say "its because of the injury".

Boxing is a no excuse sport.

I agree with most of this. Pac lost the fight. I never said otherwise. I never disagreed that he got himself into that scenario and that he didn't have himself/his camp to blame only.

So now that we're done discussing things I was not saying in my comment, let's go back to the point at hand - knowingly yanking someone's arm out and then winning the fight can cast doubt as to what may have happened in different circumstances. I'm not saying Pac would have won necessarily, just saying that we don't know what would have happened in a different set of circumstances.

Oh, and get real with your **** moves. We are talking about a sport where you can throw an uppercut your opponent's nuts as a strategy, and thats not even frowned upon.

Okay, if you're not willing to admit that that is frowned upon, we will not be able to have a meaningful discussion on what should or should not be done in the ring.

[Spoon23]

I agree with most of this. Pac lost the fight. I never said otherwise. I never disagreed that he got himself into that scenario and that he didn't have himself/his camp to blame only.

So now that we're done discussing things I was not saying in my comment, let's go back to the point at hand - knowingly yanking someone's arm out and then winning the fight can cast doubt as to what may have happened in different circumstances. I'm not saying Pac would have won necessarily, just saying that we don't know what would have happened in a different set of circumstances.



Okay, if you're not willing to admit that that is frowned upon, we will not be able to have a meaningful discussion on what should or should not be done in the ring.

One thing you should understand is that you were talking to flowmos. Especially Big Dunn, that guy has horse blinders. He's a kissass floyd divkrider dude. watch out for him. he'll burn you out with flowmo logic. (flowmo logic = ****** logic) They have no inclination or understanding of what's reality. Reality to them is Floyd nothing else. Those are not rational beings your talking to lol

That said, you're spot on with what you said about the fact knowing Pac was injured that night, hence, Floyd's blatant yanking. It raises a BIG question mark what might have been if Pac was not a one handed fighter that night. Great point bud.

[Spoon23]

Hmmm... Tell me, why was Max Kellerman laughing in #48's face when he said he thought he won the fight?

What you should ask is why after announced the winner floyd was booed by the majority of the crowd in the MGM. Says a lot about what happened that night.

Floyd didn't deserve the W buddy.

Pac fought with one arm, and with all that cheap shots Floyd threw. Pac still landed more. As videos have floated. Hence, he said he won. Max didn't laugh, he wasn't convinced he won..

Same as Floyd who got booed at.

The truth is because of the nature of the fight. How Floyd fought like a coward and manny fighting half of his full potential coz of his injury. It wasn't a great fight.

Max kellerman and the crowd doesn't believe any of them deserve the win. It was Kayote and road runner chasing each other for 12 rounds.

It was more a draw.. To most it was. And to most It was a stink fest. No one deserved the win that night especially, the one who fought like a pussay with 2 healthy hands he ran and hugged the whole night against a one handed fighter. Hence the boos resonating world wide.

[The Big Dunn]

I never suggested that the clip that I had was a high percentage of the fight. I didn't answer your question because it was missing the point. I was trying to point out (and did so successfully apparently judging from your response) that it is totally believable that the commentators representation of the fight *could be* inaccurate. If you agree that that snippet was, then you have to agree that other parts of the commentating *could be* inaccurate. When you know this and yet dismiss everyone else's points about the commentating that has already been made earlier in this thread, you aren't being consistent.

I was not trying to suggest that every single word that they said during the fight was misleading.

I may be upset, but putting me with Spoon seems a little unfair. I haven't denied that Manny lost the fight for instance.

come on man, that's a plastic man/mr. fantastic reach dude that isn't plausible. You are trying to make a case for Manny doing better than the scores indicate. The scores and commentating absolutely reflected what we saw that night. The problem isn't with the judging or the commentary, it was with Manny's lack of effort and unwillingness to try and win.

A mistake there doesn't mean there could be other mistakes. Most likely there was context that was lost when the video was parsed.

The vocal group of boxing ******s have polarized themselves since this fight. There really are only 2 groups-the rest of us, and those posters I listed still fixated on an exercise in futility. Your posts are in many ways just like their posts, so even if you don't want to be associated with them, you will be.

[AllBoxingAD]

I agree with most of this. Pac lost the fight. I never said otherwise. I never disagreed that he got himself into that scenario and that he didn't have himself/his camp to blame only.

So now that we're done discussing things I was not saying in my comment, let's go back to the point at hand - knowingly yanking someone's arm out and then winning the fight can cast doubt as to what may have happened in different circumstances. I'm not saying Pac would have won necessarily, just saying that we don't know what would have happened in a different set of circumstances.




Okay, if you're not willing to admit that that is frowned upon, we will not be able to have a meaningful discussion on what should or should not be done in the ring.

1. Do you understand the difference between tying an arm up and yanking someone's arm out? This is getting silly.

2. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. If its not the injury, what "other set of circumstances" are you talking about and why should we consider it?

3. Low blows as a strategy is something that has always existed in boxing. No one flips out about it, in boxing guys get rough and skirt the rules. It is what it is. Cotto, Trinidad, Whitaker, Calzaghe and numerous others have all done it and no one is calling them dirty fighters and it doesnt take away from their wins and legacy. Its not ballet.

[Spoon23]

1. Do you understand the difference between tying an arm up and yanking someone's arm out? This is getting silly.

2. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. If its not the injury, what "other set of circumstances" are you talking about and why should we consider it?

3. Low blows as a strategy is something that has always existed in boxing. No one flips out about it, in boxing guys get rough and skirt the rules. It is what it is. Cotto, Trinidad, Whitaker, Calzaghe and numerous others have all done it and no one is calling them dirty fighters and it doesnt take away from their wins and legacy. Its not ballet.

Lol your trying to convince a guy that it's alright to cheat. No can do buddy. That stunt floyd did that night ain't allowed in boxing. It is only allowed if the referee keeps his mouth shut and turns a blind eye.

If there are no rules to prevent dirty tactics. Then you can't call it a sport. Every sport has rules. What Floyd did was foul and merits point deductions. But of course you'll say otherwise.

If there was no referee in a basketball game. Every player won't have to dribble the ball, they'll just run and shoot. There are rules, just because some boxers got away with it it's fine. It's not. Queensbury rules promotes clean sportsmanlike gentlemen's boxing. Hence, penalties were introduced. Floyd's antics that night was not in any shape allowed in boxing. And that's the bottom line.

[BrometheusBob.]

come on man, that's a plastic man/mr. fantastic reach dude that isn't plausible. [1] You are trying to make a case for Manny doing better than the scores indicate. [2] The scores and commentating absolutely reflected what we saw that night. [3]The problem isn't with the judging or the commentary, it was with Manny's lack of effort and unwillingness to try and win.

A mistake there doesn't mean there could be other mistakes. Most likely there was context that was lost when the video was parsed.

The vocal group of boxing ******s have polarized themselves since this fight. There really are only 2 groups-the rest of us, and those posters I listed still fixated on an exercise in futility. Your posts are in many ways just like their posts, so even if you don't want to be associated with them, you will be.

1) Yeah that sounds about right.
2) You are entitled to your opinion I suppose.
3) Or it could be both. Well actually the judges who scored 116-112 were more or less fine, I would be hard pressed to find evidence for an 118-110 win for May though. Just saying the commentators were being accurate doesn't really mean much to me - maybe I'll go back and find other good comentating tidbits to add to my previous example, but I recall some moments Pac landed good shots without receiving credit and some moments Floyd threw at air and got tonsof credit.

1. Do you understand the difference between tying an arm up and yanking someone's arm out? This is getting silly.

2. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. If its not the injury, what "other set of circumstances" are you talking about and why should we consider it?

3. Low blows as a strategy is something that has always existed in boxing. No one flips out about it, in boxing guys get rough and skirt the rules. It is what it is. Cotto, Trinidad, Whitaker, Calzaghe and numerous others have all done it and no one is calling them dirty fighters and it doesnt take away from their wins and legacy. Its not ballet.

1) Sounds like you are being very particular about the wording. Point is that the pic shows what is pretty clearly Floyd pulling on Manny's right arm and pushing off of Manny's face for leverage.

2) I am confused by this comment. Maybe my comment was unclear? I was saying that regardless of whatever circumstances there was or was not, Manny lost that fight. That being said, I was saying that because of the circumstances (including the injury) there may be reason to think it could have gone differently in a different situation. I'm not sure how else to word this.

3) Low blows do not constitute a legitimate strategy. Find me any rulebook from any respected boxing organization that treats them as anything other than something to be avoided/punished for and I'll feel differently. Or find me any respected referee to tell me that low blows are a legitimate tool.

Maybe you're new to this sport. Here is how boxing officials actually view low blows:

[Spoon23]

1) Yeah that sounds about right.
2) You are entitled to your opinion I suppose.
3) Or it could be both. Well actually the judges who scored 116-112 were more or less fine, I would be hard pressed to find evidence for an 118-110 win for May though. Just saying the commentators were being accurate doesn't really mean much to me - maybe I'll go back and find other good comentating tidbits to add to my previous example, but I recall some moments Pac landed good shots without receiving credit and some moments Floyd threw at air and got tonsof credit.


1) Sounds like you are being very particular about the wording. Point is that the pic shows what is pretty clearly Floyd pulling on Manny's right arm and pushing off of Manny's face for leverage.

2) I am confused by this comment. Maybe my comment was unclear? I was saying that regardless of whatever circumstances there was or was not, Manny lost that fight. That being said, I was saying that because of the circumstances (including the injury) there may be reason to think it could have gone differently in a different situation. I'm not sure how else to word this.

3) Low blows do not constitute a legitimate strategy. Find me any rulebook from any respected boxing organization that treats them as anything other than something to be avoided/punished for and I'll feel differently. Or find me any respected referee to tell me that low blows are a legitimate tool.

Maybe you're new to this sport. Here is how boxing officials actually view low blows:

Bud, you were talking to a hardcore Floyd lover. He just doesn't want to accept reality of what you're saying.

You're making great points. They just can't handle the truth. Cheers!

[AllBoxingAD]

1) Yeah that sounds about right.
2) You are entitled to your opinion I suppose.
3) Or it could be both. Well actually the judges who scored 116-112 were more or less fine, I would be hard pressed to find evidence for an 118-110 win for May though. Just saying the commentators were being accurate doesn't really mean much to me - maybe I'll go back and find other good comentating tidbits to add to my previous example, but I recall some moments Pac landed good shots without receiving credit and some moments Floyd threw at air and got tonsof credit.


1) Sounds like you are being very particular about the wording. Point is that the pic shows what is pretty clearly Floyd pulling on Manny's right arm and pushing off of Manny's face for leverage.

2) I am confused by this comment. Maybe my comment was unclear? I was saying that regardless of whatever circumstances there was or was not, Manny lost that fight. That being said, I was saying that because of the circumstances (including the injury) there may be reason to think it could have gone differently in a different situation. I'm not sure how else to word this.

3) Low blows do not constitute a legitimate strategy. Find me any rulebook from any respected boxing organization that treats them as anything other than something to be avoided/punished for and I'll feel differently. Or find me any respected referee to tell me that low blows are a legitimate tool.

Maybe you're new to this sport. Here is how boxing officials actually view low blows:

1. I am particular because those are two completely different things. However, as I already stated, in sports you take advantage of your opponent's weakness/injury. You are gonna have to grow up and accept it one day. So if you think Floyd is yanking his arm out by pushing off his face for leverage and you see all that in that one pic, thats fine. Im still cool with any fighter doing it.

2. You can play the what if game all you want. Tell me when you come up with an answer.

3. You are funny with your rule book. Tell me why Cal did it to Hops. Tell me Zab did it to Floyd. Tell me why Cotto did it to Zab. Tell me why Whitaker did it to Chavez and vice versa. Tell me why Trinidad did it to Vargas?...