The Top 20 All-Time Greatest P4P List

[Ivich]

Wills has a few decisions over Langford, how do we know they weren't taking turns winning?

There was probably no such thing as a perfectly clean Negro fighter in the 1910s. (I.e. The game as it was played force them to at times be crooked.)

But they say 'understandings' were common.

We do know that Burley and Williams got sent to the showers for being non combative in one of their mutiple meetings.

Jack Johnson won his last fight by casting a Voodoo curse on his opponent and then they both tried to collect their purse.

I doubt all the series of fights between the black trio were fought on their merits

[QueensburyRules]

Very groovy. Thank you.

- - Groovy, Man, Groovy Wavy Gravy

[Mteslamiller]

I love comparing great fighters of the past and present. Here’s my top 20 fighters since 1900-

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Sam Langford
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Roberto Duran
8. Sugar Ray Leonard
9. Willie Pep
10. Joe Louis
11. Joe Gans
12. Marvin Hagler
13. Eder Jofre
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Jack Johnson
16. Roy Jones jr
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Pernell Whitaker
20. Carlos Monzon

[Mteslamiller]

Greatest ever, next 20–

21. Floyd Mayweather
22. Julio Cesar Chavez
23. Tony Canzoneri
24. Alexis Arguello
25. Rocky Marciano
26. Larry Holmes
27. Gene Tunney
28. Ezzard Charles
29. Evander Holyfield
30. Barney Ross
31. Bob Fitzsimmons
32. Jack Dempsey
33. Manny Pacquiao
34. Ike Williams
35. Jose Napoles
36. Emile Griffith
37. Sandy Saddler
38. Joe Frazier
39. Michael Spinks
40. Tommy Ryan

Honorable mentions- Kid Gavilan, Stanley Ketchel, Bob Foster, Thomas Hearns, Salvador Sanchez, Pascal Perez, Jimmy McLarnin, Charley Burley, Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Aaron Pryor, Billy Conn, Barbados Joe Walcott

[Mteslamiller]

And Tommy Loughran, Jack Britton, **** Tiger, Abe Atell, and Lew Tendler.

[mrbig1]

I love comparing great fighters of the past and present. Here’s my top 20 fighters since 1900-

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Sam Langford
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Roberto Duran
8. Sugar Ray Leonard
9. Willie Pep
10. Joe Louis
11. Joe Gans
12. Marvin Hagler
13. Eder Jofre
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Jack Johnson
16. Roy Jones jr
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Pernell Whitaker
20. Carlos Monzon

Love this list. I think Hagler is way too high. Manny should be on the list. Over all a very good list which means you done your homework.

[Mteslamiller]

Thank you, mrbig1!

[Mteslamiller]

I actually have spoken to 2 men on my list, Willie Pep and Evander Holyfield. Back in the 1980s there was a radio sports talk show on WABC-AM in New York City hosted by Art Rust jr. I often called into the show to comment on boxing. Art Rust was was a very knowledgeable and classy older gentleman and would recount his experiences watching a prime welterweight Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Louis fight back in the 1940s. His father took him to Madison Square Garden on numerous occasions. In addition to Pep and Holyfield, I also had the pleasure of speaking to Ray (Boom Boom) Mancini and Bobby Czyz on the show. I wish that a program of that nature existed today.

[JAB5239]

I actually have spoken to 2 men on my list, Willie Pep and Evander Holyfield. Back in the 1980s there was a radio sports talk show on WABC-AM in New York City hosted by Art Rust jr. I often called into the show to comment on boxing. Art Rust was was a very knowledgeable and classy older gentleman and would recount his experiences watching a prime welterweight Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Louis fight back in the 1940s. His father took him to Madison Square Garden on numerous occasions. In addition to Pep and Holyfield, I also had the pleasure of speaking to Ray (Boom Boom) Mancini and Bobby Czyz on the show. I wish that a program of that nature existed today.

Rust Jr. also wrote a great biography about Joe Louis.

I got to meet Willie Pep at some fights at Foxwoods casino back in the late 90's. What a gentleman. Super nice guy.

[Ivich]

Rust Jr. also wrote a great biography about Joe Louis.

I got to meet Willie Pep at some fights at Foxwoods casino back in the late 90's. What a gentleman. Super nice guy.

I've got that book ,excellent!