The Top 20 All-Time Greatest P4P List

[GhostofDempsey]

Benvenuti was MW champion and 32 years old. Monzon was 28. Monzon was older than Napoles. So no they were not past there prime.

Do bother to fact check your posts? Napoles was two years older than Monzon. He fought Monzon at the end of his career while moving up from welter. Today that would be two weight classes. Benvenuti retired after the Monzon fights, he was done. Neither of them were the best versions of themselves when they fought Monzon.

[mrbig1]

Do bother to fact check your posts? Napoles was two years older than Monzon. He fought Monzon at the end of his career while moving up from welter. Today that would be two weight classes. Benvenuti retired after the Monzon fights, he was done. Neither of them were the best versions of themselves when they fought Monzon.

you are right sir. they were are close to the same age. I remember when Benvenuti was champion. He was far from being done. Teddy Atlas has a list of the p4p fighters after the 1950's to today. Monzon is number 2 on his list. both of my boxing trainers in the Army told me Monzon was the perfect fighter. Doctor Ferti Pochco and Gil Clancy call Monzon one of the greatest MW's of all time. I respect your opinion. I'm glad there's no name calling. People can disagree which I have no problem with. Thank you.

[Willie Pep 229]

you are right sir. they were are close to the same age. I remember when Benvenuti was champion. He was far from being done. Teddy Atlas has a list of the p4p fighters after the 1950's to today. Monzon is number 2 on his list. both of my boxing trainers in the Army told me Monzon was the perfect fighter. Doctor Ferti Pochco and Gil Clancy call Monzon one of the greatest MW's of all time. I respect your opinion. I'm glad there's no name calling. People can disagree which I have no problem with. Thank you.

Ray Arcel once said of Monzon, "There's something wrong about that boy, he's the only fighter I have ever seen who actually likes fighting."

And of course Arcel was working with Duran at that time, but yet Monzon still spooked him.

Turns out Arcel was a pretty good judge of character.

Besides seeing if his wife good fly, there were story of ****s and buy-offs during the earlier year.

But I suspect no one knows for sure.

[mrbig1]

This man was a murderer. Low down in every way. Great fighter but evil person. He was a hero of mine when I was a kid. Not anymore.

[Ivich]

I'm on a boxing site where the people here know there boxing history. Thank you groovy cats and chicks. you know the legend of Sam Langford has grown over the years. no doubt he was a great fighter. On another boxing site this guy was telling me that Langford would have KOed Joe Louis. Didn't Sam Langford say himself he would fight any man in the world but Jim Jeffries? well if he wanted no part of Jeffries, he damn sure wouldn't fight the brown bomber. Sometimes we go a bit too far

Langford was a young light middle when he made that comment,hardly surprising he didn't fancy his chances against Jeffries at that time.

[Ivich]

Yes we are you are correct you should stop posting immediately we're bringing you down.

BTW you just changed the jist of your post from weak competition to the championship fight.

Besides being pretentious you're obvious

I just proved that not only was Leonard's post retirement opposition totally inept something you alluded to vaguely,but that no, he wouldn't have won the title against a lesser welterweight champion which you stated.Two of his opponents did obvious dives and Leonard was booed out of the ring. A Great Champ the greatest at Lightweight imo but totally shot against any kind of real competition.You're not bringing me anywhere, you and your silly tag partners are just mugging yourselves. ps It's gist not jist, The fact that you naively take Box recs figures without troubling to research fights just emphasises my earlier remarks.Hopefully some of the adults on this forum will be returning soon.

[mrbig1]

Langford was a young light middle when he made that comment,hardly surprising he didn't fancy his chances against Jeffries at that time.

Langford was great no doubt. not as a HW. Harry Wills beat his brains out every time they fought.

[JAB5239]

Langford was great no doubt. not as a HW. Harry Wills beat his brains out every time they fought.

Wills was knocked cold twice by Langford who was blind in at least one eye by that time. Harry got the best of the series but Same was past his best at that point.

[mrbig1]

Wills was knocked cold twice by Langford who was blind in at least one eye by that time. Harry got the best of the series but Same was past his best at that point.

Very groovy. Thank you.

[Willie Pep 229]

Wills was knocked cold twice by Langford who was blind in at least one eye by that time. Harry got the best of the series but Same was past his best at that point.

Wills has a few decisions over Langford, how do we know they weren't taking turns winning?

There was probably no such thing as a perfectly clean Negro fighter in the 1910s. (I.e. The game as it was played force them to at times be crooked.)

But they say 'understandings' were common.

We do know that Burley and Williams got sent to the showers for being non combative in one of their mutiple meetings.

Jack Johnson won his last fight by casting a Voodoo curse on his opponent and then they both tried to collect their purse.