The Top 20 All-Time Greatest P4P List

[5G14L90]

Monzon was undefeated in 81 straight fights over 13 years. 7 of those years as champion. I would put his resume against anyone on this list. Roy Jones fought a policeman and guy that worked on a trash truck full time. He was fighting part time fighters that should never have gotten a title fight. I've been a boxing fan for 60 years. Nonito Donaire was a very good fighter. But not the best in the last 60 years. I respectfully disagree my brother.

Roy Jones, Jr.'s resume : Hopkins, Toney,, Griffin II, Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, Ruiz, Tarver I - it's a great resume.

And no worries. Donaire, Jr.'s wins against Vic Darchinyan (112 lbs.), Fernando Montiel (118 lbs.), Nishioka (122 lbs.), Oubaali (118 lbs.) with some Ws at Featherweight is why I rate Donaire, Jr. so highly.

Keep in mind I'm also basing this list off eye-test for skills and who I think is superior is head-to-head (e.g. Naoya Inoue currently has a slightly better resume than Shakur Stevenson, but I think if they were the same size that Stevenson would beat Inoue).

[arumhaymonhearn]

Last 60 Years

Vasyl Lomachenko
Roman Gonzalez
Terence Crawford
Naoya Inoue
Andre Ward
Nonito Donaire, Jr.
Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez
Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
Manny Pacquiao
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones, Jr.
Oscar De La Hoya
Pernell Whitaker
Evander Holyfield
Julio Cesar Chavez, Sr.
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Thomas Hearns
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Muhammad Ali

the other poster is speaking facts tho ..

how can you include Loma ... but leave out James Toney, Monzon, Emile , Mike Tyson , Lennox , Usyk, George Foreman ???

[5G14L90]

the other poster is speaking facts tho ..

how can you include Loma ... but leave out James Toney, Monzon, Emile , Mike Tyson , Lennox , Usyk, George Foreman ???

Fair points.

Toney, Monzon, Tyson, Lewis I would leave out.

Griffith, Usyk and Foreman have an argument to be in.

[Willie Pep 229]

Fair points.

Toney, Monzon, Tyson, Lewis I would leave out.

Griffith, Usyk and Foreman have an argument to be in.

Monzon not in the top 20 but Usyk is?

[5G14L90]

Monzon not in the top 20 but Usyk is?

Yeah, I don't find Monzon's skills or resume to be at this elite level.

Benvenuti I, Griffith I, Briscoe II, Valdes I & II are his best wins, which IMO is solid, but nothing that makes me go "WOW" - just a thumbs up.

And then with the eye test between Monzon and every one else I had in my original 20 or Usyk, IMO Monzon falls short.

[mrbig1]

Monzon defended his title 14 times. Ducked no one. Fought the best fighters in the world. Monzon retired as champion. He retired at 35. His last loss was at age 22. When he won the title, I was 15. when he retired, I was 22. Monzon is either 2 or 3 greatest MW all-time on every list I've ever seen. I'm tore up now. We'll rap tomorrow.

[Zaroku]

This is my top 20 list, which will remain fluid, that way adjustments can be made over time.

1- Ray Robinson

2- Willie Pep

3- Archie Moore

4- Ezzard Charles

5- Harry Greb

6- Roberto Duran

7- Manny Pacquiao

8- Barney Ross

9- Benny Leonard

10- Sam Langford

11- Mickey Walker

12- Henry Armstrong

13- Ike Williams

14- Jake LaMotta

15- Jack Dempsey

16- Tiger Flowers

17- Tony Canzoneri

18- Ray Leonard

19- Roy Jones Jr

20- Emile Griffith

Plenty of honorable mentions who can easily be rotated on or off the list. In no particular order:

Jose Napoles
Pernell Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez Sr
Michael Spinks
Sammy Angott
Joe Louis
Jimmy McLarnin
Joe Gans
Charley Burley
Sandy Saddler
Holman Williams
Gene Tunney

Post up your lists!

Respect on this list

[mrbig1]

I'm glad you have Duran is high. Lot of people forget he was lightweight champ for over six years.

[QueensburyRules]

Monzon defended his title 14 times. Ducked no one. Fought the best fighters in the world. Monzon retired as champion. He retired at 35. His last loss was at age 22. When he won the title, I was 15. when he retired, I was 22. Monzon is either 2 or 3 greatest MW all-time on every list I've ever seen. I'm tore up now. We'll rap tomorrow.

- - Needs repeating for the naysayer know nothings who proliferate here.

[Porky Pig]

This is my top 20 list, which will remain fluid, that way adjustments can be made over time.

1- Ray Robinson

2- Willie Pep

3- Archie Moore

4- Ezzard Charles

5- Harry Greb

6- Roberto Duran

7- Manny Pacquiao

8- Barney Ross

9- Benny Leonard

10- Sam Langford

11- Mickey Walker

12- Henry Armstrong

13- Ike Williams

14- Jake LaMotta

15- Jack Dempsey

16- Tiger Flowers

17- Tony Canzoneri

18- Ray Leonard

19- Roy Jones Jr

20- Emile Griffith

Plenty of honorable mentions who can easily be rotated on or off the list. In no particular order:

Jose Napoles
Pernell Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez Sr
Michael Spinks
Sammy Angott
Joe Louis
Jimmy McLarnin
Joe Gans
Charley Burley
Sandy Saddler
Holman Williams
Gene Tunney

Post up your lists!

Sorry I have to disagree with you. Archie Moore could not touch Ezzard Charles with multiple tries. He lost to essentially a junior middle in Charley Burley, again in multiple tries. To me you have seven people on your list I would not put there because of the choices you then have to ignore. Putting them in order seems like too much for anybody to have universal agreement, but I will try, friend.