Tyson Fury?

[billeau2]

At what point does his size cease being an advantage?
I'm assuming here that all things being equal everyone agrees he beats anyone up to Lhvy,175lbs.
What about over that , abilities being equal,when does his size cease to give him an advantage?
When his opponent is 6ft and 190lbs for example, or when?

I believe his size was an advantage up until the point where it cost problems with his stamina and even his speed. That doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have a great advantage over a much lighter opponent but it certainly causes him problems against any opponent in the neighborhood of 200 lb or greater.

He lost the quickness on his jab, and his footwork is still excellent technically but not fast enough to keep someone coming in hard, fast and talented away. This is the way USYK caught up to him in the first fight.

[BKM-]

A prime ali was 208-215 Lbs. At 220 he was slower and did not have the same stamina.

By the time he was 100 kilo's he was already past his prime though. I think the younger version of Clay could have went up to 220 but didn't really need to, no need to sacrifice that freakish speed, he still had the grappling strength of a superHW. He could tie up anyone. Some people don't realize that even though his style was pretty, he was a high Testosterone man with a huge skulls, big fists, thick frame etc. and very strong.

He wasn't really like a lot of those slender, speedy boxers physically. He was built for this. Even his punching power was respectable when he really sat down on his punches.

[Anomalocaris]

As many have said in this thread prime Fury had incredible movement and speed for a man of his vast size.

The Tyson of Wlad and Wilder 2 is a head to head nightmare for any heavyweight in history.

People seem to delight in ridiculing him now, but a shot version gave the superb Usyk two very good fights.

Oh and despite being down several times he has always got up.

Not many heavy champions can say the same.

[The D3vil]

As many have said in this thread prime Fury had incredible movement and speed for a man of his vast size.

The Tyson of Wlad and Wilder 2 is a head to head nightmare for any heavyweight in history.

People seem to delight in ridiculing him now, but a shot version gave the superb Usyk two very good fights.

Oh and despite being down several times he has always got up.

Not many heavy champions can say the same.

This.

Those people are usually AJ stans mad about how his career has turned out.

[Rockybigblower]

I don't even know what your answer refers to.

I'll remind you of what you said once again.

KOing Vlad is something Fury would easily be capable of, not saying he would but it goes both ways. Vlad could not deal with a successful blitz from a good puncher. He panics under heavy attack and goes stilt-legged, like he did with Sanders and the other semi-good heavyweight who made him give up, Brewster.

As i said...they fought...and he didnt. Even at his peak against a well trodden Wlad.

[Anomalocaris]

This.

Those people are usually AJ stans mad about how his career has turned out.

Exactly, if Fury had not had so many personal demons there is no way Joshua would ever have won the title.

I always thought that he was vastly overrated, a more fluid version of Bruno.

[max baer]

Honestly, this is the truth. I fully believe the Fury who beat Klitschko would beat Usyk. But time waits for no man. As a man that has fought at an advanced age (albeit not the same level) I know how it feels. You think you're doing the same things.....but every millisecond matters and you're not. It's an inescapable fact. If Wlad comes back to try and get Foremans record without at least a few tune up fights he'll find this out. Sorry, didn't mean to stray.

spoken by a man who actually fights for real. respect jab.

[max baer]

Fury gave a lot of himself to the world and he has helped many people to find a way to overcome their problems and he always entertained. World would be a more sorry place without him.

[billeau2]

Fury gave a lot of himself to the world and he has helped many people to find a way to overcome their problems and he always entertained. World would be a more sorry place without him.

And so it is with a lot of "characters." Ali was ridiculed a great deal during his career, and while Fury is no Ali, similar dynamics do apply.

[max baer]

As many have said in this thread prime Fury had incredible movement and speed for a man of his vast size.

The Tyson of Wlad and Wilder 2 is a head to head nightmare for any heavyweight in history.

People seem to delight in ridiculing him now, but a shot version gave the superb Usyk two very good fights.

Oh and despite being down several times he has always got up.

Not many heavy champions can say the same.

very well said there! I wanted to say just what you said.