PBC won't help DAZN hurt their business

[The Big Dunn]

I dont need educating you condescending ***wit, I have plenty of knowledge on the subject albeit at a lower level. I've been watching boxing longer than you and posting here longer than you.

You are the only person in this discussion (opinions aside) who has posted incorrect information...twice.

And yes Wilder did the right thing, sure...as his comparitive earnings and his record now indicate (rolls eyes)

If he takes the L that he should have in the first Fury fight, this will be the biggest financial fail that I can remember in boxing

I am condescending to you because you repeatedly called me names. I see no reason why you expect me to treat you with respect after you came at me like that.

I have been watching boxing since 78/79.

I didn't post any incorrect information as was clarified in the thread. MY points have been exactly correct, save for semantics.

There is more to it than earnings. When are you going to accept this?

Win or lose we will not know the financial impact of the decision until we see the details. Until then, please note that A former promoter, one that despises Haymon, would have advised Wilder to reject the deal.

You need educating on why that move was made. You don't have to agree with it. I just wanted you to see how someone with promotional experience would handle the situation.

[OnePunch]

To the bolded-This has been my whole point all along.

As to your 2nd point-while I don't agree with you that Haymon is solely the manager (I think Curt is 100% correct he is the defacto promoter), I respect the fact you feel the decision ultimately violates the Ali Act and that him rejecting the deal was wrong.

So we are clear, I don't think Haymon is right simply because it's Haymon. I think he made the right decision with regards to the offer for the reasons I stated.

My larger issue is too many posters decide right and wrong based solely on if it's Haymon/PBC or not. I don't think that is right or fair.

I have been saying for years that Haymon is the defacto promoter, only to be insulted, accused of racism, accused of being bitter, accused of being paranoid, etc etc etc.

[sunny31]

I am condescending to you because you repeatedly called me names. I see no reason why you expect me to treat you with respect after you came at me like that.

I have been watching boxing since 78/79.

I didn't post any incorrect information as was clarified in the thread. MY points have been exactly correct, save for semantics.

There is more to it than earnings. When are you going to accept this?

Win or lose we will not know the financial impact of the decision until we see the details. Until then, please note that A former promoter, one that despises Haymon, would have advised Wilder to reject the deal.

You need educating on why that move was made. You don't have to agree with it. I just wanted you to see how someone with promotional experience would handle the situation.

Eddie Hearn does not own any part of DAZN...incorrect

A promoter has zero influence over judges and judge selection...incorrect.

Again this is not the 1920's...the conspiracy theories and corruption is not rife in the sport like some of you think. As someone already mentioned its down to human error, or crowd influence just like any other sport where refereeing decisions and results are highly tilted in the direction of the home team. I have spoken about this with Richard Steele in Vegas at length.

More to it than earnings? He ended up losing in most peoples eyes scraping a draw for less money lol and nothing which has happened since reflects well on this decision...time will prove you stubborn, ******, and wrong

Please note that his hall of fame promoter set up the meeting to his own detriment as he thought it was the best deal on the table and realised that Wilder was not gonna be put into some make believe disadvantage that you are fabricating from thin air. If Joshua jumped across to PBC...based on what we know and what we've seen with Haymon, Joshua would be treated with the same integrity as Wilder in competition terms. But that's not even the case here, they would only share a network. They cited 'loyalty' at the time and promptly left Sho one fight later.

The reason why I've been abrupt and used his language is the fact you are not basing your opinion on anything but speculation and assumptions. I'm basing mine on facts, numbers, what's transpired since. He is now in a fight, on a co-promotion , co-network where they under massive pressure to sell ppvs, against a hugely dangerous fighter, where if he loses he probably loses all leverage and most of his value...

Anyway agree to disagree on this, I'll find you when all the dust has settled, maybe you'll be proven right in the long run. I do respect you as a poster but right based on what's happened, you're talking pure garbage

[The Big Dunn]

Eddie Hearn does not own any part of DAZN...incorrect

A promoter has zero influence over judges and judge selection...incorrect.

Again this is not the 1920's...the conspiracy theories and corruption is not rife in the sport like some of you think. As someone already mentioned its down to human error, or crowd influence just like any other sport where refereeing decisions and results are highly tilted in the direction of the home team. I have spoken about this with Richard Steele in Vegas at length.

More to it than earnings? He ended up losing in most peoples eyes scraping a draw for less money lol and nothing which has happened since reflects well on this decision...time will prove you stubborn, ******, and wrong

Please note that his hall of fame promoter set up the meeting to his own detriment as he thought it was the best deal on the table and realised that Wilder was not gonna be put into some make believe disadvantage that you are fabricating from thin air. If Joshua jumped across to PBC...based on what we know and what we've seen with Haymon, Joshua would be treated with the same integrity as Wilder in competition terms. But that's not even the case here, they would only share a network. They cited 'loyalty' at the time and promptly left Sho one fight later.

The reason why I've been abrupt and used his language is the fact you are not basing your opinion on anything but speculation and assumptions. I'm basing mine on facts, numbers, what's transpired since. He is now in a fight, on a co-promotion , co-network where they under massive pressure to sell ppvs, against a hugely dangerous fighter, where if he loses he probably loses all leverage and most of his value...

Anyway agree to disagree on this, I'll find you when all the dust has settled, maybe you'll be proven right in the long run. I do respect you as a poster but right based on what's happened, you're talking pure garbage

Eddie Hearn I thought was a part owner of DAZN. If I am wrong, my bad. The promoter absolutely has influence over the selection of judges and ref. One Punch even clarified this.

In your 2nd paragraph You are talking about scoring the fight, something I didn't bring up.

I scored the fight for Fury as well. You can feel free to disagree with the decision made but that doesn't mean it was the wrong one.

You have no idea why DiBella made that decision. I am fine if you think he was making the right decision. I don't. Some others don't feel he was either. DiBella was subsequently fired because he operated outside of his authority.

I am basing my experience on watching the sport over 35 years and knowing a little bit about why decisions are made to accept or decline fights. Further, to validate my opinion, I got the opinion of another poster that has actual promoting experience in the sport to check if my opinion was something they would do as well. That poster agreed they would do the same thing.

What has transpired since has no bearing on the reasons the decision was made. Respectfully, you are looking at this purely from a fans standpoint. I am trying to look at it from both the fan perspective and from the business perspective that I figure his team has to take. The reason he is in the position is because Fury signed with TR, a move I also completely understood even though I felt it delayed the rematch from happening.

I think What is happening is AJ lost to Ruiz, which meant he had to fight Ruiz again in 2019, which threw off his plan and pushed his mandos back, which in turn pushed the wilder fight back because AJ has to handle both mandos before he can unify with wilder. In other words, it is understandable why the fight isn't happening in 2020.

[Real King Kong]

They aren’t fighting on DAZN period. That’s a freakin deal breaker. I don’t get why people don’t understand that. PBC is in direct competition with DAZN and Haymon isn’t letting his greatest asset fight there ever. And you guys expect Wilder to surrender control of his career to Hearn, who he’s never trusted?

So if Joshua says it has to be on dazn or it’s a “deal breaker?you’re ok with the fight never happening? I mean, people expected aj to fight on showtime ppv for the bogus 50mil offer. When has the clear B side ever dictated the major terms of the fight?

[OnePunch]

Eddie Hearn I thought was a part owner of DAZN. If I am wrong, my bad. The promoter absolutely has influence over the selection of judges and ref. One Punch even clarified this.

you are mis-characterizing my statement.

I said the promoter has NO SAY in the selection of officials, but MAY request a removal of an assigned official if they have SPECIFIC evidence of bias or incompetence. And that request may, or may not be granted by the commission.

That is a far cry from "influence"

And furthermore, BOTH sides of a fight have the ability to protest a selection. There is no advantage given to any particular side of the fight.....

[Outwest Exp 355]

So if Joshua says it has to be on dazn or it’s a “deal breaker?you’re ok with the fight never happening? I mean, people expected aj to fight on showtime ppv for the bogus 50mil offer. When has the clear B side ever dictated the major terms of the fight?

Isn’t that the current situation now? It’s not like they’re negotiating.

[Curt Henning]

oh I agree totally, its not going to stop. The DOJ has never filed an Ali Act violation against anyone, ever, and probably wont. Its not a priority for them. And as evidenced by the Golden Boy vs Haymon lawsuit, even if a civil court sees that Haymon is crossing the line, unless SPECIFIC damages can be proven by the plaintiff, they wont act on it either.

But it annoys me to no end when a few people consistently mis-state the law, or pretend that what Haymon is doing is just dandy, only because its Haymon.

But yeah, I agree. Its probably not a good use of my time. LOL. But I really only do it when I have a few minutes to kill. And I ****** up a few ribs the other day so I'm taking it somewhat easy for the past few days which freed up a little time......lol

what haymon is doing for his fighters is just dandy...you may not like how he circumvents law/rules....but he has his fighters best interests in mind

when arum runs his mouth about porter before a fight...saying "were eyeing him"...then after the fight that fighters father says "yeah we can make a fight" and arum and his fighter do a 180 and say they arent interested....thats ok with you?

when arum holds fury out of the immediate rematch with wilder that everyone wanted...youre ok with that?

if haymon were doing his fighters foul theyd be talking...theyd know it...and theyd be leaving...and no young guys would want to sign with him.......

haymon does his fighters fine and makes the best decisions for them.....

wilder was behind only canelo, AJ and mcgregor in combat
sports earnings last year....not too shabby...and he has a lucrative fight in a few weeks...with the potential for a lucrative rematch

and fyi...he still wouldnt have that AJ fight yet...if wilder makes it through this fury fight(or these fury fights)...he still has AJ....and will stand to make even more money that he would have with that DAZN deal.......stop worrying about whether haymon is working in wilders best interest or his own....its working out ok so far for wilder.....and wilder knows the risk involved....hes a grown man thats been in the business long enougn and knows what was on the table vs what could happen

[OnePunch]

what haymon is doing for his fighters is just dandy...you may not like how he circumvents law/rules....but he has his fighters best interests in mind

when arum runs his mouth about porter before a fight...saying "were eyeing him"...then after the fight that fighters father says "yeah we can make a fight" and arum and his fighter do a 180 and say they arent interested....thats ok with you?

when arum holds fury out of the immediate rematch with wilder that everyone wanted...youre ok with that?

if haymon were doing his fighters foul theyd be talking...theyd know it...and theyd be leaving...and no young guys would want to sign with him.......

haymon does his fighters fine and makes the best decisions for them.....

wilder was behind only canelo, AJ and mcgregor in combat
sports earnings last year....not too shabby...and he has a lucrative fight in a few weeks...with the potential for a lucrative rematch

and fyi...he still wouldnt have that AJ fight yet...if wilder makes it through this fury fight(or these fury fights)...he still has AJ....and will stand to make even more money that he would have with that DAZN deal.......stop worrying about whether haymon is working in wilders best interest or his own....its working out ok so far for wilder.....and wilder knows the risk involved....hes a grown man thats been in the business long enougn and knows what was on the table vs what could happen

thats debatable. One could argue that killing a guaranteed $120 million deal because it conflicts with your own network obligations is not exactly having the "fighters best interests" at heart.....

And as we discussed, Arum as a promoter operates under different rules. If Haymon wants to act as a promoter, then he should license himself as such.....

[Curt Henning]

people seem to have a major issue with haymons success, power and the trust his fighters have in him

some of these guys act like haymon literally has these guys brainwashed and theyll do anything he says....or that haymon "hides" deal from them.......its complete fantasy

"uhh duhh umm sure ok mr haymon whatever you say"........these guys know every deal that is "on the table"....its that they trust haymon enough to listen to his advice and turn them down that bothers people......and they arent just doing it because haymon is a cult leader...its because hes done them solid and they trust him and hes a power player in the sport

haymon isnt just going to have them turn down good deals for the sake of it...for the heck of it...hes going to find a way to get them similar money...or that same fight down the line....or a better fight.......if he wasnt...if he couldnt....it would be the end of his business....everyone would flee and nobody would mess with him.....

its the fighters faith in haymon, to do them right/well, going forward that irks his haters