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    Originally posted by vB Martin
    Out of curiousity, I did a check.

    In March of 2004, LameOne Brewster was not even in the WBC top 30, was Number 10 on the WBA list. The IBF doesn't give historical rankings that far beck. The WBO had him ranked #2 because he held the NABO belt.

    Yeah, he was a highly ranked cntender, all right..
    The WBO is retarted as well, thats something to keep in mind.
    They had peter manfredo as the nnumber 3 light middle in 2004 i believe.

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      This fight is a total mismatch, and that's that.

      I'm not going into the Toney's paycheck issue....all I know is I'm perplexed as to why Toney would even want this fight.

      That's biting off way more than you can chew.



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        Originally posted by RunWithKnives
        This fight is a total mismatch, and that's that.

        I'm not going into the Toney's paycheck issue....all I know is I'm perplexed as to why Toney would even want this fight.

        That's biting off way more than you can chew.
        Im confused why Wlad would turn this fight down. For publicity, knocking out a guy whos never been knocked out before, etc etc.
        It makes sense.

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          Originally posted by PBF34
          Im confused why Wlad would turn this fight down. For publicity, knocking out a guy whos never been knocked out before, etc etc.
          It makes sense.
          Anyone with any common sense knows that this is a mismatch. While he might gain soe recognition outside of boxing circles, it really wouldn't help his standing in the boxing community.

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            Originally posted by Gunstar1
            Wow that's an impressive list of fighters, Wlad nut-huggers make it sound like his resume is the best in the HW divison. Damn Toney's 5 fights in the HW division is better then this list. Holyfield, Booker, Ruiz, Guin & Rahman. 4 W O L 1 D.

            Other than drawing with Rahman, that list is not really all that better than Wlads:

            Holyfield: Washed up beyond belief. He is so washed up that he was actually STOPPED by Toney.

            Booker: Would've gotten KO'd in 3 rounds if got in the ring with either Wlad or Peter, NOBODY.


            Guinn: All hype. Wlad would KO him. He's got some skill but he wont amount to much.

            Ruiz and Rahman are the good names, but with Ruiz, the question of roids will be there. As for Rahman, I think Toney lost that fight. And for the record, I dont think Wlad's resume lately is all that good either. Dont confuse me with one of those Wlad buttlickers.
            Last edited by Derranged; 06-10-2006, 12:29 PM.

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              Originally posted by PBF34
              Im confused why Wlad would turn this fight down. For publicity, knocking out a guy whos never been knocked out before, etc etc.
              It makes sense.


              Maybe he wants to fight a guy with more power, he figures that chin and toughness issue is gonna hang over him until he keeps fighting bigger stronger and harder hitting opponents. Wlad has the rep of being somewhat of a 'bully', pickin on smaller guys. Just a thought.

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                Originally posted by vB Martin
                Except for the fact that Nandrolone is not a the****utic steroid for muscle/tendon tears. It is only used medically to treat anaemia, certain forms of breast cancer and osteoporosis.

                The only reason he would have taken it is to increase muscle mass (though it's not overly effective for that) and to increase red blood cell count for increased endurance, though he could easily have used the marathoner's practice of blood doping for that. Blood doping is when you take blood out of your system, separate the red cels and store them, then reinject them prior to an even when you need extra endurance.
                *yawn* You're the biggest spinster I've ever seen in this thread, even more than Bozo, and that's saying a lot. Booker a highly touted prospect? Are you utterly insane? Booker was artificially bumped up in the rankings fighting nobodies. Look at his record- I don't think Booker ever faced a HW with a winning record in their last 5 fights. LOL Stop with that madness. Castillo had a better resume than Booker, for God's sake.

                Oh, and I love the steroid spin. It's the same steroid that COUNTLESS athletes have been busted testing positive with, sprinters and Olympic athletes especially, because it helped them gain speed and endurance. It's no wonder than Toney had the stuff to go a hard 12 with Ruiz, but has slowly fallen off after that. They always try to do spin control after a positive steroid test, and the suckers who want to believe it, because it's a fighter they like, do. The same guys buying into that bs would be screaming bloody murder if it was a fighter they didn't like. Period.

                Here are the basic facts: Toney has now been offered a THIRD title shot within the year, for the IBF, after failing in bids for the WBC and WBA, testing positive for steroids, coming in at the highest weight of his career and turning in the worst performance of his career.

                Read that again if you need to.

                All you have to know is this- would you be making ANY of these excuses and arguments if it was WLAD who had tested positive, turned in career worst performances, and been handed a third title shot within a year after failing in the other two? We all know the answer and you do, too. You'd crucify him. End of discussion.

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                  Wladimir is a warrior. He aint ducking annybody.

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                    Is there a link to the actual source or that noob was talking out of his ass?
                    Because if there is no conformed source to this information...well, than all your conversation is worthless and we are doing what we are doing for the last 2 or 3 years.

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                      Originally posted by mECHsLAVE
                      Castillo had a better resume than Booker, for God's sake.
                      Castillo started as Light Heavyweight and had only had 4 heavywight bouts prior to Little Klit. Yeah. Much more impressive than Booker.
                      I agree that Booker was overhyped, which was why I called him "heavily touted". Please see my definitions listed earlier.

                      Originally posted by mECHsLAVE
                      Oh, and I love the steroid spin. It's the same steroid that COUNTLESS athletes have been busted testing positive with, sprinters and Olympic athletes especially, because it helped them gain speed and endurance. It's no wonder than Toney had the stuff to go a hard 12 with Ruiz, but has slowly fallen off after that. They always try to do spin control after a positive steroid test, and the suckers who want to believe it, because it's a fighter they like, do. The same guys buying into that bs would be screaming bloody murder if it was a fighter they didn't like. Period.
                      How could it be spin when I never said he didn't take it? In fact, I gave the exact same reason he may have as you did.
                      You also gloss over the issue that Nandrolone leaves markers in the body for over a year, yet Toney's suspension was lifted just a couple months later when he tested completely clean.
                      Reading is FUNdamental!

                      Did he juice or not? Neither of us will ever know, though there is plenty of evidence on the side of this being a false positive.


                      Originally posted by mECHsLAVE
                      Here are the basic facts: Toney has now been offered a THIRD title shot within the year, for the IBF, after failing in bids for the WBC and WBA, testing positive for steroids, coming in at the highest weight of his career and turning in the worst performance of his career.

                      Read that again if you need to.
                      I don't think he deserves a shot, either, and I have stated endless times that it's my opinion that he would get killed in this fight. However, I wonder how this differs from Gollota being offered 3 title shots in the same time period while having lost 2 of them?
                      And, if the worst performance of a middleweight's career is to draw against a legitimate heavyweight champion, all I can say is, "wow. what a ****ing career this guy has had!"
                      If he had lost, he would be less deserving.

                      Originally posted by mECHsLAVE
                      All you have to know is this- would you be making ANY of these excuses and arguments if it was WLAD who had tested positive, turned in career worst performances, and been handed a third title shot within a year after failing in the other two? We all know the answer and you do, too. You'd crucify him. End of discussion.
                      I've been pretty even in both my praise and my criticism of both fighters in this thread. In fact, I haven't even countered your argument about Toney deserving a shot with his HW championship fight record over the past year with the fact that Little Klit was brutally KO'd in 2 of his last 3 world title fights while Toney is 0-0-1 1NC in his bid for a world title over the same period.
                      Why? Beacuse it's irrelevant.

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