Wladimir Klitschko is DUCKING James Toney!

[vB Martin]

And for the record, I dont think Wlad's resume lately isnt all that good either. Dont confuse me with one of those Wlad buttlickers.

I don't think either of their records are that great over the last 5 fights, either, but Toney has definitely fought the higher level of experience and hasn't been KOd.

[Bozo_no no]

Here are the basic facts: Toney has now been offered a THIRD title shot within the year, for the IBF, after failing in bids for the WBC and WBA, testing positive for steroids, coming in at the highest weight of his career and turning in the worst performance of his career.

Read that again if you need to.

All you have to know is this- would you be making ANY of these excuses and arguments if it was WLAD who had tested positive, turned in career worst performances, and been handed a third title shot within a year after failing in the other two? We all know the answer and you do, too. You'd crucify him. End of discussion.

LOL, it just gets better and better with every nut hugging post.

Toney's draw with Rahman in which he threw over 600 punches was a career worst preformance, and you say that should keep him from getting this shot.

Yet Wlad's "worst preformance" looked a little bit more suspect:



and yet 8 months later he gets another title shot that makes Toney's "worst preformace" look pretty good:



And in his next three fights he hits the deck FOUR more times and still gets a crack at Byrd's title.

LOL, "worst preformane" in a draw vs Rahman doesn't sound so bad when we add a little contrast now does it?


Once again, you FAIL to understand the reason this fight came about was because WLAD's camp sought out Toney and made an offer.

Why you ask?

MONEY.

He stands to make more money fighting Toney because of his marketability.

Unreal how ignorant, biased and outright ****** you are.

[LondonRingRules]

Toney's draw with Rahman in which he threw over 600 punches was a career worst preformance, and you say that should keep him from getting this shot.

** Heh, heh, it figures poor Boozo is gonna drink the same brew the poor besotted compubox bozos drink before punching out buttons for a fight. Yeah, Boozo, keep up the comedy routine. Maybe Vegas will beckon.

[mECHsLAVE]

Once again, you FAIL to understand the reason this fight came about was because WLAD's camp sought out Toney and made an offer.

Why you ask?

MONEY.

He stands to make more money fighting Toney because of his marketability.

Unreal how ignorant, biased and outright ****** you are.

You're completely wrong.

Wlad does not need Toney to make a money fight. He simply wants to rid the HW picture of Toney, making it easier to unify the titles. If Wlad destroys Toney, then he's gone. As it stands now, we have to suffer through another blubbery performance against the Rahman/Maskaev winner. See how simple that is? LOL

As for Wlad, he's gotten right up from every KD he's ever had. And from three times against Peter (1 legit) to continue beating him unrecognizable in a definitive win. Wlad went through Byrd (who most had as the #1 HW) like a rock through wet paper. Toney hasn't had a definitive win against anyone except Booker or Guinn in the past two years. To even compare Toney at HW to Wlad is outright silliness.

Wlad wants to unify the titles, and Toney is in the way. It has nothing to do with wanting to make huge amounts of money. Wlad can make good money fighting nearly anyone. If he was all about money, then he wouldn't even be fighting in the US, now would he? He'd be fighting in Germany. Duh. Here, let me use your own quote on you, who it really applies to: "Unreal how ignorant, biased and outright ****** you are." Try thinking occasionally, son.

Toney got a total gift in that draw with Rahman, nobody had him winning the fight or even had it a draw, except YOU and maybe Gunstar and that other guy all over Toney's nuts in this thread. He looked ridiculous in the ring. He was so fat he couldn't even keep his balance. LOL It would have been funny if it wasn't so sad. Rahman phoned in his performance, too, or else it would have been a blowout. Most other top HW's would have easily beaten Toney in there.

How about this, since Toney is so good and is so eager to fight Wlad. If the fight happens, then we'll have a "Loser leaves the forum forever" bet? How's that? I mean, Toney is so good and Wlad sucks so bad, right? I expect that proposal to be absolutely ignored. LOL

[Bozo_no no]

You're completely wrong.

Wlad does not need Toney to make a money fight. He simply wants to rid the HW picture of Toney, making it easier to unify the titles. If Wlad destroys Toney, then he's gone. As it stands now, we have to suffer through another blubbery performance against the Rahman/Maskaev winner. See how simple that is? LOL

As for Wlad, he's gotten right up from every KD he's ever had. And from three times against Peter (1 legit) to continue beating him unrecognizable in a definitive win. Wlad went through Byrd (who most had as the #1 HW) like a rock through wet paper. Toney hasn't had a definitive win against anyone except Booker or Guinn in the past two years. To even compare Toney at HW to Wlad is outright silliness.

Wlad wants to unify the titles, and Toney is in the way. It has nothing to do with wanting to make huge amounts of money. Wlad can make good money fighting nearly anyone. If he was all about money, then he wouldn't even be fighting in the US, now would he? He'd be fighting in Germany. Duh. Here, let me use your own quote on you, who it really applies to: "Unreal how ignorant, biased and outright ****** you are." Try thinking occasionally, son.

Toney got a total gift in that draw with Rahman, nobody had him winning the fight or even had it a draw, except YOU and maybe Gunstar and that other guy all over Toney's nuts in this thread. He looked ridiculous in the ring. He was so fat he couldn't even keep his balance. LOL It would have been funny if it wasn't so sad. Rahman phoned in his performance, too, or else it would have been a blowout. Most other top HW's would have easily beaten Toney in there.

How about this, since Toney is so good and is so eager to fight Wlad. If the fight happens, then we'll have a "Loser leaves the forum forever" bet? How's that? I mean, Toney is so good and Wlad sucks so bad, right? I expect that proposal to be absolutely ignored. LOL

Once again, you get called on your bull ****, and you write an essay in an attempt to try and save face.

YOU are wrong.

Two very simple facts reamin:

Wlad's offering this fight to Toney because Toney's name is marketable and it's a bigger purse than anyone else he's currently looking at. Period. Bottom line. Anything else you add to this is either deluded lying ("I think Brock is worht close to as much") or opinionated nut hugging ("He's trying to rid the division of Toney")

LOL

Come off it. It's MONEY. And that's all there is to it.

2nd, you can talk about Toney's last fights all you want (and you have because you have nothing else to contribute ON topic because you've been proven ignorant and wrong) but as I clearly illustrated, Wlad's worst preformaces are embarassing stoppage losses and narrow wins in which he was on his ass. Your criteria of trying to say a draw should exclude Toney from fighting this fight (When it's Wlad and his monatery interest that started persuing it) makes you look like an idiot when you're ignoring the fact Wlad has fought for titles after EMBARASSING KO LOSSES and narrow wins in which he was on the deck.

You're a disgrace, and the only reason you post in half the threads you do is to spout biased propaganda for white fighters. You're a blatent nut hugging fool, and everything you say reeks of a desperate spin job.

You do nothing but spout non sense, and when you're called on it you all you do is desperatly try and back up the non sense you just got called on with more desperate non sense.

[Bozo_no no]

How about this, since Toney is so good and is so eager to fight Wlad. If the fight happens, then we'll have a "Loser leaves the forum forever" bet? How's that? I mean, Toney is so good and Wlad sucks so bad, right? I expect that proposal to be absolutely ignored. LOL

Nothing like another desperate attempt to change the subject when you TWICE in one thread have your non sense pointed right out for all to see.

Did you see me anywhere mention that I think Wlad is ducking Toney? I'm the one who came into this thread dispelling that notion just like I did in the other thread.

Did you see me anywhere arguing with you or anyone else about me saying Toney would surely win?

No you didn't, but when you get your ass handed to you in two different discussion in the same thread, why not do you best (in desperation) to change the subject yet again, right?

What a *****.

[mECHsLAVE]

Castillo started as Light Heavyweight and had only had 4 heavywight bouts prior to Little Klit. Yeah. Much more impressive than Booker.
I agree that Booker was overhyped, which was why I called him "heavily touted". Please see my definitions listed earlier.

How could it be spin when I never said he didn't take it? In fact, I gave the exact same reason he may have as you did.
You also gloss over the issue that Nandrolone leaves markers in the body for over a year, yet Toney's suspension was lifted just a couple months later when he tested completely clean.
Reading is FUNdamental!

Did he juice or not? Neither of us will ever know, though there is plenty of evidence on the side of this being a false positive.


I don't think he deserves a shot, either, and I have stated endless times that it's my opinion that he would get killed in this fight. However, I wonder how this differs from Gollota being offered 3 title shots in the same time period while having lost 2 of them?
And, if the worst performance of a middleweight's career is to draw against a legitimate heavyweight champion, all I can say is, "wow. what a ****ing career this guy has had!"
If he had lost, he would be less deserving.

I've been pretty even in both my praise and my criticism of both fighters in this thread. In fact, I haven't even countered your argument about Toney deserving a shot with his HW championship fight record over the past year with the fact that Little Klit was brutally KO'd in 2 of his last 3 world title fights while Toney is 0-0-1 1NC in his bid for a world title over the same period.
Why? Beacuse it's irrelevant.

Ok, so you are comparing Wlad's 3 title bouts over 4 years to Toney getting three shots in one year? Quite a difference there, huh? Especially since he earned the shot with Byrd, without question, with a definitive win over the #1 HW contender in Peter. Not sure what point you're making.

Wlad got blown out by Sanders, fine. It happens in the HW division, especially when you take an opponent lightly. His own fault. Nobody will ever know what happened in the Brewster fight, but it was certainly proved to be a weird anomale with his performance against Peter. A legit loss, but calling it a "devasating KO" is silly, which is what you did. You're spinning right there and you know it.

As for the Golota thing, that's all Don King. I believe both of those fights were corrupt, especially the Ruiz one. That's the silliest scoring I've ever seen. King wanted Ruiz and Byrd to keep their belts, why? Because neither are a draw without a belt, and Golota is a freaky draw either way. That's how simple that is. Two judges scored it 9-3 for Ruiz, which is so transparent- 7-5 for Ruiz and Golota wins. 8-4 for Ruiz and Golota wins. 9-3 for Ruiz and he edges it out. They scored the exact minimum amount of rounds for Ruiz that they possibly could in order for him to win. Nothing was made of it, because it was Golota, who is hated, which is why it was done in the first place. Golota outlanded and outthrew Ruiz in every round of the fight except ONE. And was awared only 2 rounds, other than the one with the 2 KD's. I mean, how much more corrupt and transparent can you get? But that's all King- he's a cancer on the sport of boxing. He got Golota ranked and approved for the title shots, just like that, why? $$$$. King knows how to work it. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with Wlad, who did not get these immeditate title shot return bouts. He had to work his way back into the picture with wins. So I'm not quite sure I even understand what kind of point you are making, once again.

As for Toney juicing, you're right for once, that we will never know everything, which is what athletes count on when they cheat- that element of doubt which they can build their lies upon. I have little doubt that he was aided by the steroids and knew it, as did his team. Either way, it doesn't matter. His blood test was positive for steroids, and he was banned and suspended. My point that neither you or any of the Toney fans on here would be working overtime to try and think up spin-magic, false-positive and the glove doesn't fit scenarios if it was Wlad does indeed stand, though.

[mECHsLAVE]

Once again, you get called on your bull ****, and you write an essay in an attempt to try and save face.

YOU are wrong.

Two very simple facts reamin:

Wlad's offering this fight to Toney because Toney's name is marketable and it's a bigger purse than anyone else he's currently looking at. Period. Bottom line. Anything else you add to this is either deluded lying ("I think Brock is worht close to as much") or opinionated nut hugging ("He's trying to rid the division of Toney")

LOL

Come off it. It's MONEY. And that's all there is to it.

2nd, you can talk about Toney's last fights all you want (and you have because you have nothing else to contribute ON topic because you've been proven ignorant and wrong) but as I clearly illustrated, Wlad's worst preformaces are embarassing stoppage losses and narrow wins in which he was on his ass. Your criteria of trying to say a draw should exclude Toney from fighting this fight (When it's Wlad and his monatery interest that started persuing it) makes you look like an idiot when you're ignoring the fact Wlad has fought for titles after EMBARASSING KO LOSSES and narrow wins in which he was on the deck.

You're a disgrace, and the only reason you post in half the threads you do is to spout biased propaganda for white fighters. You're a blatent nut hugging fool, and everything you say reeks of a desperate spin job.

You do nothing but spout non sense, and when you're called on it you all you do is desperatly try and back up the non sense you just got called on with more desperate non sense.

You're silly as usual and make no points. Toney is lucky to be given a third title shot within a year, and the only reason Wlad is doing it is to hasten a unification process. If Wlad was after MONEY as you say, then he'd go over to Germany and finish his career out there, where he's a household name and a far bigger draw than in the states. You're logic just whipped around and bit you in the ass, son. Once again. LOL

Too ez.

[Bozo_no no]

Ok, so you are comparing Wlad's 3 title bouts over 4 years to Toney getting three shots in one year? Quite a difference there, huh?

He had a shot in 2005 and one in 2006.

Don't let me get in the way of your spinning though.

It must be fun for you to count the 3rd shot that hasn't happned yet as part of your argument for why he shouldn't get the 3rd shot.

And be sure to ignore the part I keep pointing out about Wlad, the title holder, being the one who's seeking Toney out (not vice versa) because he knows the payday will be big.

Reality doesn't seem to sit will with all your biased nut hugging spinning.

[Bozo_no no]

You're silly as usual and make no points. Toney is lucky to be given a third title shot within a year, and the only reason Wlad is doing it is to hasten a unification process. If Wlad was after MONEY as you say, then he'd go over to Germany and finish his career out there, where he's a household name and a far bigger draw than in the states. You're logic just whipped around and bit you in the ass, son. Once again. LOL
Too ez.

He wants to fight in the US, Toney is the biggest name in terms of marketability and the most money as a draw.

You have done nothing to refute this other than lie and spout non sense.

Everything you've said in this thread has been ripped apart and you've once again been shown as a ranting biased fool.

You're right, it is too easy.