Wladimir Klitschko is DUCKING James Toney!

[mECHsLAVE]

Toney has 2 wins in the past 2 years - Booker and Guinn.

Wlad has 4 wins in the past 2 years - Williamson, Castillo, Peter and Byrd.

If you think there is any comparison whatsoever between those two resumes, then you should seek immeditate therapy.

[j]

Toney's record seems more stellar? You're insane. LOL Let's leave it at that.

Byrd was the longest reigning tilist and considered by many to be the #1 HW. Peter was the #1 contender.

Toney has failed in everything he has done at HW other than beat 2 nobodies and an old Holyfield in 2003. Cmon.

And I really wish you Toney spinsters would stop referring to the Ruiz NC as a "win" for Toney. He cheated and was banned and suspended. That's not a win, folks. Sorry. If it was a win, then why wouldn't everyone just ignore all boxing regulations and use whatever steroids they want? LOL And if you buy that story about nobody (his physician, his trainer, his team, himself) knowing that he took Nandrolone, or that it was a steroid, then you're as naive as you are ******. There is no way in ****ing hell that a doctor is going to prescribe anabolic steroids for a professional athlete without telling him. I mean, the end. There's no way Toney continuously injected "Nandrolone" without someone in his team saying "Hey, isn't that a steroid? Will that make you test positive?" That was all a cover-up story, the same old story that every athlete uses because the media half-ass buys it: "Hey, they gave it to me and I didn't know what it was!!!" Uh, huh. Same **** as Vargas and all the rest of the busted roiders.

^ good post.

[LondonRingRules]

I'm sure you all read by now that Toney rejected Wlad's ridiculous offer of 1.5 million to fight him after he made 2 million versus Rahman, and 3 million versus Holyfield. Well, team Klitschko just admitted what Toney's counter offer was....

2.5 million!!

Wlad Klit is so scared that a reasonable counter offer like that is non-negotiable and they're walking. It's a shame that Wladimir is that scared of a man half his size. I was looking forward to James putting the LIGHTS OUT on Wlad.

** James ******* has been ducking Calzaghe who called him out, Peter who's called him out forever, and Manny who knocked him down in sparring.

Me thinks you have an unnatural relationship with quacking ducks sporting large LUV handles and fitted for C cups.

[!!Captain]

Haven't actually got time to go through the whole thread, so can someone tell me how Wlad is ducking Toney when Toney presently is - with all due respect - jack **** in the heavyweight division?

If this was a beltholder I could see the argument, but Toney's just a contender, and not a very likely one at present.

He beat Ruiz... then failed a drugs test.

He looked BAD against Rahman (a mediocre heavy) and got a draw.

I think that last fight showed that Toney - as skilful and experienced as he is - won't be able to cut it at the elite heavyweight level, even today.

Don't pay it no mind, it's just a daily "Wlad sucks" thread.

[Bozo_no no]

Do you even understand yourself what you're talking about?

I'm not the one who couldn't back up what he said and resorted to laughable flaming.

You should really lean to be quiet when you have nothing to say.

[Bozo_no no]

Toney's record seems more stellar? You're insane. LOL Let's leave it at that.

Byrd was the longest reigning tilist and considered by many to be the #1 HW. Peter was the #1 contender.

Toney has failed in everything he has done at HW other than beat 2 nobodies and an old Holyfield in 2003. Cmon.

And I really wish you Toney spinsters would stop referring to the Ruiz NC as a "win" for Toney. He cheated and was banned and suspended. That's not a win, folks. Sorry. If it was a win, then why wouldn't everyone just ignore all boxing regulations and use whatever steroids they want? LOL And if you buy that story about nobody (his physician, his trainer, his team, himself) knowing that he took Nandrolone, or that it was a steroid, then you're as naive as you are ******. There is no way in ****ing hell that a doctor is going to prescribe anabolic steroids for a professional athlete without telling him. I mean, the end. There's no way Toney continuously injected "Nandrolone" without someone in his team saying "Hey, isn't that a steroid? Will that make you test positive?" That was all a cover-up story, the same old story that every athlete uses because the media half-ass buys it: "Hey, they gave it to me and I didn't know what it was!!!" Uh, huh. Same **** as Vargas and all the rest of the busted roiders.

After embarassing yourself in the earlier thread about this topic, you're back again and doing nothing but huffing and puffing.

No one really cares what you think of Toney or his last few fights.

The bottom line of any discussion on this topic has been about money.

And Wlad's option of facing Toney would see him get a bigger payday than any other option he's currently considering. That means there's more money to be split between the two fighters.

Toney made 2.1 Million against Rahman, and the offer in this fight is less than that dispite the fact there would be more money in this fight to split.

The option of offering Toney 1.5 as a take it or leave it offer makes no sense, because he moves on to someone like Brock who is a much lower payday.

So once again, we're back to: Fighting Toney at a 60-40 split is a better business decision than fighting someone like Brock at an 80-20 split. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

But all of you little cheerleading sack lickers aren't interested in thinking about the fact this is all based off uninformed heresay, you're only interested in slinging ****.

There are offers and counter offers in negotiating a fight. If this fight is truly in talks, there will be much more credible info yet to come.

[mECHsLAVE]

After embarassing yourself in the earlier thread about this topic, you're back again and doing nothing but huffing and puffing.

No one really cares what you think of Toney or his last few fights.

The bottom line of any discussion on this topic has been about money.

And Wlad's option of facing Toney would see him get a bigger payday than any other option he's currently considering. That means there's more money to be split between the two fighters.

Toney made 2.1 Million against Rahman, and the offer in this fight is less than that dispite the fact there would be more money in this fight to split.

The option of offering Toney 1.5 as a take it or leave it offer makes no sense, because he moves on to someone like Brock who is a much lower payday.

So once again, we're back to: Fighting Toney at a 60-40 split is a better business decision than fighting someone like Brock at an 80-20 split. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

But all of you little cheerleading sack lickers aren't interested in thinking about the fact this is all based off uninformed heresay, you're only interested in slinging ****.

There are offers and counter offers in negotiating a fight. If this fight is truly in talks, there will be much more credible info yet to come.

What does any of this have to do with my post? You quoted my post in your response. Why? LOL You did not disagree with one word that I said. You just dislike the fact that it's correct, I guess. I would, too, if I were a Toney fan.

You keep talking about money all you want. Gunstar and that other guy were the brilliant ones who said Toney's HW resume was more stellar or whatever. That's what I responding to. Try and keep up, Erkel.

As for the money, after Toney's last performance and career worst shape, and having already failed in two title attempts in the past year, I think being offered a THIRD title shot in the same year, even if it's for a little less than he got for Rahman, I think $1.5M is something he should be happy to get and jump all over. That's if he thought for a second he could win. If he did, the contract would have been signed in a millisecond. He knows he can't win, so he wants some serious career-ending money or he won't sign. It's that simple.

[Bozo_no no]

What does any of this have to do with my post? You quoted my post in your response. Why?

I correctly pointed out that your only contribution to this thread was off topic. Out of everything to comment on, you zero in on comments that upset you and decide to argue off topic because you have little to nothinf of value to say on topic.

You embarasssed yourself in the previous thread by completely mixing your facts up and ran out with your tail between your legs.

Here again you illustrate the topic upsets you and your only intention is to complain.

As for the money, after Toney's last performance and career worst shape, and having already failed in two title attempts in the past year, I think being offered a THIRD title shot in the same year, even if it's for a little less than he got for Rahman, I think $1.5M is something he should be happy to get and jump all over. That's if he thought for a second he could win. If he did, the contract would have been signed in a millisecond. He knows he can't win, so he wants some serious career-ending money or he won't sign. It's that simple.

Once again you illustrate you have no idea what you're talking about and are completely missing the point.

The fight is a big is a big money fight in the landscape of Today's division. Toney brings much of that money because he's marketable. Fighting Wlad and allowing him a lion's share of the purse when his other option is to turn to a Brock like fighter for a fraction of the money is simple business.

There's more money to be made in this fight, and Wlad loses out if he looks to move on to a differnet fight. 1.5 Million is a low offer for the amount to be split up, and that's why there's a counter offer.

But again, after laugably suggesting I don't know how fights work, you contine to fail to understand none of this has been substantiated in the least.

All this says right now is that there are negotiations going on, and that's consistant with everything we've heard so far. That's how fights are made.

[vB Martin]

Toney's record seems more stellar? You're insane. LOL Let's leave it at that.

Again, in the past 5 fights
Toney
3 current or former World Champions (Holyfield, Rahman, Ruiz) 1-0-1 1 NC
1 heavily touted prospect (Booker) 1-0 (done with a torn bicep, by the way)
1 former prospect/contender (Guinn) 1-0

Little Klit
1 current World Champion (Byrd) 1-0
1 heavily touted prospect (Peter) 1-0
2 nobodies (TOS, Castillo) 2-0
1 fringe contender (Brewster) 0-1 (by devastating KO)

Toney 3-0-1 1 NC
Wlad 4-1-0 (KO'd once)

And Toney fought the better level of competition in his last 5 fights.

Byrd was the longest reigning tilist and considered by many to be the #1 HW. Peter was the #1 contender.

Byrd was barely regarded as a better champion than Ruiz, and everyone who takes boxing seriously knows he was given gift decisions over both Oquendo and Gollota, and was fought to a close draw by McCline. Hell, even TOS gave him all he could handle. Byrd was old, and no longer able to box in the manner that got him to the top, much like Holyfield against Toney.
Everyone knows that Peter was overhyped because of his power and was completely lacking in boxing fundamentals. His #1 ranking was a gift from someone. He was rushed to fast into fighting this bout because his management hoped his power would pull off the upset and fatten their wallets. Peter was as much a victim of the greed of the people surrounding him as he was Wlad.

And I really wish you Toney spinsters would stop referring to the Ruiz NC as a "win" for Toney. He cheated and was banned and suspended...

It was a win. It was stripped by the NYSAC because they detected Nandrolene. If you allege that Nandrolene can only be injected, you obviously didn't take the time to read up on it and are just parroting what you've heard elsewhere.
Take , or , or , for instance. Apparently doctors seem to hold the ridiculous belief that many OTC supplements break down in the same way as Nandrolene and may cause a false positive test. Even more doctors seem to believe that eating large quan****** of contaminated meat can cause a positive test. All they have to back up teir ridiculous assumptions is lab research, though so I don't know if they can be taken more seriously than you.
Now, all athletes take supplements in one form or another, and can you picture Toney not eating large quan****** of meat? The US is the worst country about feeding steroids to livestock to make them grow larger and produce more meat.
While I'm not saying that Toney didn't inject, the fact that doctors say it's highly possible that he didn't is enough to make a reasonable person wonder.
When you couple this with the fact that Nandrolene stays in the system for well over a year, and the NYSAC lifted the suspension early because Toney tested negative for Nandrolene in the follow up test, it might just make it possible that Toney did not, in fact, juice for this fight.

Just a thought.

Regardless, I still think Wlad would kill him.

[LondonRingRules]

[QUOTE=Bozo_no no]After embarassing yourself in the earlier threSo once again, we're back to: Fighting Toney at a 60-40 split is a better business decision than fighting someone like Brock at an 80-20 split. This is not a difficult concept to understand.QUOTE]


** It ain't difficult to understand that Brock is a young contender coming on strong and James ******* is a has been with you living in his jock at the local KFC. Facts are that Wlad can fight anyone he choses and take home the lion's share. Meanwhile James ******* will be paying you illegal immigrant wages to keep his jock clean.