Do You Have Mayweather In Your Top 100 ATG List?

[jrosales13]

Oscar best dominant win against a true top prime fighter. Is his 2 round destruction of Rafael Ruelas.

But, yet you have morons who think he's alongside with Floyd.

Whatever.

[Ganondorf]

Yes. He actually just makes my top 50. Somewhere in the neighborhood of Mike Tyson i think is appropriate.

[badass316]

Oh by all means, no you're right, absolutely correct. I'm not the end all and be all in boxing history. And, there plenty of posters on this site that know way more than me.

Oh don't worry of that I'm sure. There may not be many of them, but I'm sure they're out there. It's just that I don't see any of them come off like you do (not all the time mind you, but at times). But then again I'm not around this message board 24/7, so I guess may consider my opinion on that matter to be moot but you get the picture.

However, I know enough about it's history and the great fighters to know. It's blasphemy to say Oscar is closer to top 50 ATG than top 100 ATG. Or to suggest that Oscar is close to Floyd.

It's blasphemy to put DLH in the same light as PBF on the ATG list? Please... Elaborate on what PBF has done that is demonstratively greater than DLH's body of work. I can understand if you said you think PBF is "slightly" higher than DLH." I'd disagree with it, but I'd find it somewhat reasonable.

Here is espn's top 50 list. Now I'm not saying I agree with where they are placed, I'm just using this as an example by an outside party (apart from you and I) as an example that DLH and PBF are a lot closer than what you may think. As well as that the chances of DLH ending up closer to 50 on other historian's ATG list than 100.

39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

[puga]

lol @ age determining prime or not...Jesus F'ing Christ, with the age logic.

Is not that he just lost, is how he lost and how it performed afterwards. Look at the guys he beat before Tito and look at how he performed against the likes of Quartey, Campas, Marquez, Winky. Never being dropped in the process, then compare that with getting dropped by a light punching Rivera after Tito and looking like eh against "Shibata". Those 2 performances showed Vargas wasn't the same.

Hence why Oscar finally decided to fight him. After years of saying that he would not give Vargas the paydays when he looked ferocious, he finally decided to give Vargas the payday when he didn't look so ferocious anymore. Because, and I quote "I know where to him" pointing in his chin. Give credence of Vargas having a crack chin after Tito.

lol @ Tito almost got knocked out...Wow...

JCC was not only in his 30's but damn near around 90 pro fights. You don't think he was old? And, Whitaker performance against Rivera(2x) and Hurtado shows that Whitaker had slip tremendously and still arguably deserved the W over a prime Oscar. Even made him look foolish at times.

Please don't debate a subject with just hate as your logic. Or maybe just don't debate a subject that you know nothing about.

whether you like it or not, age is the number one factor for detremining a fighters prime...that is the standrd factor....along with the fighters last performance.... ther wwas never a sign he was past prime when he got beat by hoya, out of those 90 wins he only lost once.....same with sweetpea...
great wins by osacr, something floyd will never have..

[puga]

actually,if you think about it...its really generous to floyd to have him right beside hoya in the atg list given he does'nt have a great win even comparable to chavez sr and sweetpea win....

[hugh grant]

Floyd and DLH are neck and neck in the ATG list i would say. DLH beat pernel witaker, not sure Floyd would. DLH lost to SSM but it was prime SSM. He lost to Trinidad, im not sure Floyd would ever fight Trinidad. DLH lost to BH, and so would Floyd.

So some people think DLH is as high as no50? Well Floyd should be around there as well then.

[jrosales13]

Oh don't worry of that I'm sure. There may not be many of them, but I'm sure they're out there. It's just that I don't see any of them come off like you do (not all the time mind you, but at times). But then again I'm not around this message board 24/7, so I guess may consider my opinion on that matter to be moot but you get the picture.



It's blasphemy to put DLH in the same light as PBF on the ATG list? Please... Elaborate on what PBF has done that is demonstratively greater than DLH's body of work. I can understand if you said you think PBF is "slightly" higher than DLH." I'd disagree with it, but I'd find it somewhat reasonable.

Here is espn's top 50 list. Now I'm not saying I agree with where they are placed, I'm just using this as an example by an outside party (apart from you and I) as an example that DLH and PBF are a lot closer than what you may think. As well as that the chances of DLH ending up closer to 50 on other historian's ATG list than 100.

lol @ ESPN rankings. Look at that list, do you really think it's a credible list? Really? Look at some of then names and look at where they're place. And, you think that list is credible?

If you really do then I don't even feel like debating. Because, again it will be obvious that you do not know much about the history of the sport and it's great fighters.

What Floyd has done? Win actually, dominate a weight-class actually, dominate pretty much top fighters that he has faced actually, have a winning record against HOF fighters, something that Oscar has never done. EVER!!!!

[IronDanHamza]

Oh don't worry of that I'm sure. There may not be many of them, but I'm sure they're out there. It's just that I don't see any of them come off like you do (not all the time mind you, but at times). But then again I'm not around this message board 24/7, so I guess may consider my opinion on that matter to be moot but you get the picture.



It's blasphemy to put DLH in the same light as PBF on the ATG list? Please... Elaborate on what PBF has done that is demonstratively greater than DLH's body of work. I can understand if you said you think PBF is "slightly" higher than DLH." I'd disagree with it, but I'd find it somewhat reasonable.

Here is espn's top 50 list. Now I'm not saying I agree with where they are placed, I'm just using this as an example by an outside party (apart from you and I) as an example that DLH and PBF are a lot closer than what you may think. As well as that the chances of DLH ending up closer to 50 on other historian's ATG list than 100.

I know you said you don't necessarily agree with that list, but that list truley is ridiculous. Atleast that portion.

I mean, Monzon below Oscar? Now that is blasphemy.

[badass316]

And? Oscar has more losses than wins against the guys you named?

So what? Roberto Duran has more losses than wins against HOF opposition, it doesn't make him any less of a fighter. And a few of those losses in DLH's resume are highly questionable. I think he beat Tito, and Mosley in the 2nd fight.

Yes, lets mention Juan Laporte names of opponents next to both and it would look lopsided.

What? That's out of left field there. How does that correlate to what I've said?

How many of those great fighters have more losses than wins against other HOF fighters? Like Oscar does...

Roberto Duran.

Then if you're really serious about Oscar being closer to the top 50 than top 100. Then you do not know enough about the history of the sport and all it's great fighters.

And, even if Floyd was a *******ual. He will not even be the greatest *******ual fighters of all time.

So there was no point in even mentioning his ***ual preference.

Did I presume to say that I am an expert on boxing history? No

And please read more carefully, I didn't refer to PBF being a home***ual. That was intended to be oscar (with his whole fishnet fiasco and all).

Do you presume to be an expert on boxing history? From where I'm standing you seem to think that you do. You may not see it, but from the perspective of a person looking from the outside you do. At least that's my opinion, take with a grain of salt.

[jrosales13]

whether you like it or not, age is the number one factor for detremining a fighters prime...that is the standrd factor....along with the fighters last performance.... ther wwas never a sign he was past prime when he got bet by hoya, out of those 90 wins he only lost once.....same with sweetpea...
great wins by osacr, something floyd will never have..

No the #1 factor is performance. Not age, you can burn out on your late 20's or still go strong on your mid 30's to say age is not a factor is ridiculous.

And, going by performance yes Whitaker had slipped tremendously and still made a prime Oscar look foolish and arguably beat him.

JCC was past his prime, it had been years since he had a good win and didn't have a good win afterwards either. He was past prime. And, that would happen when you're in your 30's a pro for 16 years and close to 100 pro fights.

Puga are you really F'ing serious?