Do You Have Mayweather In Your Top 100 ATG List?

[puga]

LOL @ 6 division>>>>5...Doesn't matter if they're paper titles eh?

Beating 2 very past their prime fighters>>>Anything Floyd has done? Really? Beating 2 old fighters over dominated the 130 pound division? Really?

Beating arguably a ruined Vargas over beating a prime undefeated Corrales? Really?

Yea, OK....

past prime , past prime...that **** is so overused ,overstated excuse...both sweetpea and chavez sr. were only at their early 30 ' when they lost to hoya...floyd dont have any wins simliar to that....vargas was ruined after losing once?...lol...it was'nt like the felix fight was'nt competitive, felix was close to getting ktfo too...

[badass316]

No, Oscar does NOT clearly have the better resume between the 2.

That's your opinion, I beg to differ. I think DLH has a superior resume to PBF. I'm not gonna list every name since that's what boxrec is for, so let's just look at the potential HOF names on both of their resume's.

PBF:

Mosley
DLH
JMM
Hatton
Castillo x2 (maybe)
G. Hernandez (maybe)
Chico (maybe)

DLH:

Mosley x2
Hopkins
Pacquiao
Trinidad
Chavez
Whitaker
Camacho
G. Hernandez (when he was unbeaten)

Notice how I even gave PBF the benefit of the doubt even if there's a good chance that Castillo, Chico, or G. Hernandez make it to the Hall. Because in all honesty, taking those three out would make the comparison even more lopsided to me.

Unless you count losses. Then fuck, journeymen should be in the top 100 ATG...

WTF are we talking about?

Yes, but how many of those "journeymen" are multi-divisional champs and have wins against other HOF fighters. Again, if you're just looking at wins, then a lot of great fighters in history will essentially have their resume's pretty much cut in half, because you aren't going to find many ATGs that haven't lost to other ATGs or great fighters in their respective era.

Now back to my point, I'm asking whether or not you're serious. Because, if you're then is obvious you do not know enough about the history of the sport and all it's great fighters.

I'm being serious. I'm looking this in a subjective manner. You obviously are being swayed by bias if you put DLH in such low regards as far as accomplishments go within the squared circle. Either that, or you're vastly overrating PBF, which I believe is the former since I have him pretty much around where you have him. I don't care if he's a *******ual in real life or not, but the man has done work inside that ring and he'll be remembered for it.

[jrosales13]

past prime , past prime...that **** is so overused ,overstated excuse...both sweetpea and chavez sr. were only at their early 30 ' when they lost to hoya...floyd dont have any wins simliar to that....vargas was ruined after losing once?...lol...it was'nt like the felix fight was'nt competitive, felix was close to getting ktfo too...

lol @ age determining prime or not...Jesus F'ing Christ, with the age logic.

Is not that he just lost, is how he lost and how it performed afterwards. Look at the guys he beat before Tito and look at how he performed against the likes of Quartey, Campas, Marquez, Winky. Never being dropped in the process, then compare that with getting dropped by a light punching Rivera after Tito and looking like eh against "Shibata". Those 2 performances showed Vargas wasn't the same.

Hence why Oscar finally decided to fight him. After years of saying that he would not give Vargas the paydays when he looked ferocious, he finally decided to give Vargas the payday when he didn't look so ferocious anymore. Because, and I quote "I know where to him" pointing in his chin. Give credence of Vargas having a crack chin after Tito.

lol @ Tito almost got knocked out...Wow...

JCC was not only in his 30's but damn near around 90 pro fights. You don't think he was old? And, Whitaker performance against Rivera(2x) and Hurtado shows that Whitaker had slip tremendously and still arguably deserved the W over a prime Oscar. Even made him look foolish at times.

Please don't debate a subject with just hate as your logic. Or maybe just don't debate a subject that you know nothing about.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah it was a bad comparison. He was pretty established at WW. Hatton moved up before the Floyd fight but he's too small. However Khan and Bradley are ok to fight Floyd and its legit. One cant just wipe it away like it doesnt count. Marquez well I was big money for an easy night. It did send a sound message to the Pac camp. Then he whips the scariest guy at 147 in Mosley. He clips Pacman and we should be lookin top 5. If he then hangs around for Martinez GOAT.

Well, I personally see Hatton as a very legit win for Floyd. Other good posters disagree, but I personally see that fight as legit, IMO.

Kind of similar to Whitakers win over Nelson, to me. Nelson moved up in weight at fight Whitaker and returned straight back to 130 after he lost to Whitaker. But pretty much everyone counts that as a legit win for Whitaker, and rightfully so. Now obviously Nelson is greater than Hatton but in terms of weight etc I can't see how you can call one legit and not the other.

I'm sorry but if Mayweather beats Pacqiauo he is not Top 5, Top 10, or even Top 20. The history of Boxing is wayy to long and prestigious to ever rank Floyd near the Top 10, his resume just isn't strong enough.

[badass316]

Then where does Juan Laporte rank in the 100 ATG list? Surely he's closer to top 50 than top 100 right?

I mean he fought Salvador Sanchez, Julio Cesar Chavez, Kostya Tzsyu, Eusebio Pedroza, Wilfredo Gomez, Rocky Lordrige, John John Molina, Barry McGuigan, Ruben Castillo, Azumah Nelson amongst others.

I mean look at those names. By far greater than Oscar names.

So what, that he lost to damn near all of them right? That shouldn't matter right? So by all means he's closer to top 50 than top 100 correct?

You're not thinking outside of the box. You're solely focused on just the losses. Which was not my point. Here's my answer from my previous post.

Yes, but how many of those "journeymen" are multi-divisional champs and have wins against other HOF fighters. Again, if you're just looking at wins, then a lot of great fighters in history will essentially have their resume's pretty much cut in half, because you aren't going to find many ATGs that haven't lost to other ATGs or great fighters in their respective era.

[jrosales13]

That's your opinion, I beg to differ. I think DLH has a superior resume to PBF. I'm not gonna list every name since that's what boxrec is for, so let's just look at the potential HOF names on both of their resume's.

PBF:

Mosley
DLH
JMM
Hatton
Castillo x2 (maybe)
G. Hernandez (maybe)
Chico (maybe)

DLH:

Mosley x2
Hopkins
Pacquiao
Trinidad
Chavez
Whitaker
Camacho
G. Hernandez (when he was unbeaten)

And? Oscar has more losses than wins against the guys you named?

Notice how I even gave PBF the benefit of the doubt even if there's a good chance that Castillo, Chico, or G. Hernandez make it to the Hall. Because in all honesty, taking those three out would make the comparison even more lopsided to me.

Yes, lets mention Juan Laporte names of opponents next to both and it would look lopsided.

Yes, but how many of those "journeymen" are multi-divisional champs and have wins against other HOF fighters. Again, if you're just looking at wins, then a lot of great fighters in history will essentially have their resume's pretty much cut in half, because you aren't going to find many ATGs that haven't lost to other ATGs or great fighters in their respective era.

How many of those great fighters have more losses than wins against other HOF fighters? Like Oscar does...

I'm being serious. I'm looking this in a subjective manner. You obviously are being swayed by bias if you put DLH in such low regards as far as accomplishments go within the squared circle. Either that, or you're vastly overrating PBF, which I believe is the former since I have him pretty much around where you have him. I don't care if he's a *******ual in real life or not, but the man has done work inside that ring and he'll be remembered for it.

Then if you're really serious about Oscar being closer to the top 50 than top 100. Then you do not know enough about the history of the sport and all it's great fighters.

And, even if Floyd was a *******ual. He will not even be the greatest *******ual fighters of all time.

So there was no point in even mentioning his ***ual preference.

[studentofthegam]

Well, I personally see Hatton as a very legit win for Floyd. Other good posters disagree, but I personally see that fight as legit, IMO.

Kind of similar to Whitakers win over Nelson, to me. Nelson moved up in weight at fight Whitaker and returned straight back to 130 after he lost to Whitaker. But pretty much everyone counts that as a legit win for Whitaker, and rightfully so. Now obviously Nelson is greater than Hatton but in terms of weight etc I can't see how you can call one legit and not the other.

I'm sorry but if Mayweather beats Pacqiauo he is not Top 5, Top 10, or even Top 20. The history of Boxing is wayy to long and prestigious to ever rank Floyd near the Top 10, his resume just isn't strong enough.

Thats fair enough but I say if not Floyd from this era of fighters then who?

[jrosales13]

You're not thinking outside of the box. You're solely focused on just the losses. Which was not my point. Here's my answer from my previous post.

No, is not that I'm not thinking outside the box. Is that you just making a stretch on why Oscar should be considered top 50 material..

When he's borderline top 100...Losses to not outweigh wins period.

I'm sorry losses against Mosley, Hopkins, Pac, Floyd, Tito, is not greater than wins over Castillo, Chicanito, Corrales, Mosley.

They just not, losses to not outweigh wins.

Honestly WTF are we talking about?

[hugh grant]

Hes got to be somewhere alongside DLH. Where is DLH ATG wise? But because DLH has got a better resume, having beat Pernell witaker, you would have to say FLoyd is somewhere below DLH rather than above him.

DLH lost to ssm, but it was prime SSM. He lost to BH but so would FLoyd. He lost to Trinidad, well Floyd wouldnt fight Trinidad.

[IronDanHamza]

Thats fair enough but I say if not Floyd from this era of fighters then who?

Mayweather is the best fighter of this generation, IMO, of course. Again many disagree with me, but that's just my opinion.

But no one from this era makes Top 25 IMO.