How can people say Canelo wasn’t prime at 23 with 43 pro fights..........

[4truth]

Drain? Canelo was fresh out of the box at 23, thats just a few more miles to run and a few less Cleneloterol taco's. Plus he's going to rehydrate, which is did quite well lol.

I think for a a 40 year-old out of his prime fighter that's been in the sport ACTIVE for 17 years when the average prime career goes 14-16 years for ATG's, a 2 pound difference is very fair and reasonable thing to ask.

Canelo was 165 on fight night and Floyd lost a half pound to 150. Whatta drain guy!

Canelo was down about 10 pounds from his usual weight in the ring. Don't be an idiot.

[lopetego]

Canelo was green at the top level (Trout was his toughest opponent so far) and weight drained like a zombie in that fight

Ginger couldn't even make 154lbs anymore at that point (he started fighting at 155 in his next fight), much less a bull**** catchweight of 152

Floyd was an opportunist coward ass *****

He usually fought top guys who were past prime, in this case he fought a guy who still hadn't reached his prime, and weight drained him for good messure

[GrandpaBernard]

Alvarez was close to priming

the Mayweather fight made Alvarez into a MUCH better fighter. He learned a lot from the master of boxing

[Chaos]

Drain? Canelo was fresh out of the box at 23, thats just a few more miles to run and a few less Cleneloterol taco's. Plus he's going to rehydrate, which is did quite well lol.

I think for a a 40 year-old out of his prime fighter that's been in the sport ACTIVE for 17 years when the average prime career goes 14-16 years for ATG's, a 2 pound difference is very fair and reasonable thing to ask.

Canelo was 165 on fight night and Floyd lost a half pound to 150. Whatta drain guy!

If two pounds is nothing then why did Floyd pay out JMM rather than make weight? Play dumb all you want, but everyone and their dog knows why he drained him.

[QballLobo]

Man Canelo out here ruining these haters lives. Now they are going back almost a decade to try and make their ass points.
it’s really simple. Canelo never had an amateur career. Most fighters fight dozens, sometimes, hundreds of amateur fights before going pro.
So Canelo’s first 20-25 pro fights were dealt just what would have been an amateur run for most guy.
For example Floyd Mayweather Jr. had an amateur record of 84-8 before he went pro.

[Pantera_]

Canelo wasn't even top 10 p4p when he fought Mayweather and his best win at the time was a razer thin decision against Trout. But hey if that's what you consider "prime" then by all means

[Butt stuff]

Canelo is clearly peaking right now. If you can’t see that then I guess you don’t know boxing. The Mayweather fight was 7 years ago, so he was no where near his prime. Canelo has settled in as a natural middleweight body (shaped like a tank) who fights at super middle.

That said, he’ll never be greater than Mayweather but he’s still going to be very highly regarded within the HOF when all is said and done.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I’m not one of these guys who tries to say Canelo was “green” when he fought Floyd, that is laughable, but he wasn’t in his prime either, as he’s clearly a far better fighter now than he was then.

Prime is not defined by age. Athletic prime and fighting prime are completely different variables, far too many people relate prime to age which is just ******. An obvious example is a guy like Hopkins, he was clearly a better fighter in his late 30’s than he was in his late 20’s. I’d even argue Mayweather was better or at least harder to beat in his mid 30’s than mid 20’s due to his ring IQ being so much higher. On the other hand, you have guys like Mike or Benitez who were clearly better fighters when they were in their early twenties or even teens but their decline in their mid-to-late twenties and beyond were also caused by external factors. It just goes to prove a fighters prime is a case by case basis, it can’t be defined by age, it can only be defined by the performance of the fighter in question.

[War Room]

If two pounds is nothing then why did Floyd pay out JMM rather than make weight? Play dumb all you want, but everyone and their dog knows why he drained him.

When you're 32 year's old, losing two pounds of muscle after being retired for 2 years is very very difficult and taxing to your body. Canelo was 23 and active in the prime of his life, Floyd was 32 and directly at the end of his prime. Do the research, boxing prime for starting at 18 is 32-34 depending on the damage you've taken during that 14-16 year period. Take more damage, out of prime quicker. Look at Ali, Morales, etc for references.

The human body has a shelf life in boxing and genetics does play some role, but very little in extending it. The only reason why certain boxers can extend their shelf life is supreme high level skills often coupled with a new generation of lesser skilled and lesser dedicated boxers, facts. Floyd always stayed in shape when active, new crop has a season like football. When I was an amateur, it was like Floyd, you were ready to fight on a day's notice, even in the pro's. Hopkins lasted so long because the newer crop blew. Hopkins would have never survived against his original class at his age. Imagine him against Jones 93' when Hopkins was 45 years old.

YDKSAB and only retain molecules of what passes by. I've lived and breathed it, I'm an academic in this sport and if there was a degree system I would have a phd. I'm like EF HUtton, when I speak, you listen and honestly, you should be filling the coffers of my paypal for this masterclass knowledge.

Floyd his entire career came in under weight, one single time when he was 32, out for 2 years he had a weight issue, and you haters will never let it go like he did it all the time. Time for a reality check you h0mo, YDKSAB. Look in the mirror and say the words, IDKSAB.

Checkmate, who's next?

[New England]

leonard fought in the amateurs when he was young a boy. he won a gold medal in the olympics when it was one of the most heralded accomplishments in boxing and he was a household name by the time he turned pro. canelo fought such low level amateur fights that there is no consensus on how many he fought! reports are anywhere from 20 to 50, all in the junior division. he turned professional at 15 and fought low level pro fights in mexico for the money and he gained steam there. so yes, when he fought floyd mayweather he was relatively green and untested. he's also a puncher, and punchers typically have a style that benefits from the heart of your man strength years, which are usually north of 25.


so yeah, if you want to compare him to ray leonard, a fleet boxer with one of the greatest amateur records ever, he was extremely green at that stage in his career.