Calzaghe beats Jones at any age.

[Benny Leonard]

Excellent point. I'll never forget all the money wasted on Roy's bum of the month fights....while the true contenders lingered. Not to start another endless debate, but Mayweather followed exactly Roy's business plan in this regard.

No. I have to give Calzaghe the benefit of the doubt on this one. If Roy had wanted to fight Calzaghe way back when, he could have made that fight. HE'S the one that waited for the last ditch pay check on a prayer of a win.

How could he had made the fight exactly?

Was Joe willing to travel to America?
At what point did Joe signal his move to America back then?

And was there an offer from the Calzaghe camp?

Joe was at 168...Roy was at 175...you don't call out fighters below you. Fighters below go to them.

Joe took his time coming to America.

[Vasyl’s dad]

How could he had made the fight exactly?

Was Joe willing to travel to America?
At what point did Joe signal his move to America back then?

And was there an offer from the Calzaghe camp?

Joe was at 168...Roy was at 175...you don't call out fighters below you. Fighters below go to them.

Joe took his time coming to America.

Joe took his time coming to america.

Roy never left the states.



btw, DLH is fighting Pacquiao next month.

[Dynamite Kid]

Some fighters are not as good technically and fundamentally as others, but there a lot more athletic with much better speed. This advantage in athletic ability and speed only last for so long. Maybe 20 years old until 30 years old. A fighter who has always relied on his fundamentals and technique will be the better older fighter. Bottom line is what counts anyway is how good were you at your peak. Bernard Hopkins is a better older fighter than Roy, but what happen at there peak? This version of Hopkins would dominate this version of Roy, but the bottom line is what happen when both were young.

Calzaghe was badly hurt by a Roy Jones punch that didnt even land cleanly. Imagine if thats 1994-1997 Roy with a lot more snap in his punch.

this is the most logical post in the entire thread

look at Ray Leonard shot as soon as he lost his reflexes and getting hurt against Camacho,Norris,Hearns 2,Lalonde

only people that really dont understand Boxing would compare last nights Jones to a prime Jones and say they saw enough from both fighters last night to make a call and say Calzaghe beats a prime Jones

[RayLeonard82]

I think what ppl are basing this on is Roy looked slow the last 3 fights before Calzaghe and it wasnt because Tito Trinidad and Anthony Hanshaw were great defensive fighters. The openings were wide open for Roy.

It would be interesting to see Calzaghe put his face right in front of 1994-1997 Roy Jones who's snap in his punch, reflexes were at a all time high.

Calzaghe only did that because he saw how slow Roy was end of the 1st round just like Antony Hanshaw saw 2 years earlier. Unfortunately for Hanshaw he got caught in that 11th round by Roy.

[Pullcounter]

How could he had made the fight exactly?

Was Joe willing to travel to America?
At what point did Joe signal his move to America back then?

And was there an offer from the Calzaghe camp?

Joe was at 168...Roy was at 175...you don't call out fighters below you. Fighters below go to them.

Joe took his time coming to America.

he waited until rjj and bhop were old.

[Dynamite Kid]

"Jones would have beaten Calzaghe clearly in his prime"

Based on what? You do realize that Joe would be in his prime as well don't you?

If this fight happens 7-10 years ago, Joe gains some speed and his reflexes as well.


But what are you basing a Jones victory on, the knockdown in the first round?

Well, based on your comments, I know it couldn't be that.

of coarse i do but it makes no difference he is not technically/defensively good enough to slip the counters a prime Jones would pepper him with there was a small moment last night early on where Jones was letting his hands go and Calzaghe looked like he was struggling to deal with it

Jones could not counter effectively cause his reflexes had gone and he could not offset Calzaghe with movment cause his legs had gone in short that Jones became a stationary target with slow reflexes

[Dynamite Kid]

I think what ppl are basing this on is Roy looked slow the last 3 fights before Calzaghe and it wasnt because Tito Trinidad and Anthony Hanshaw were great defensive fighters. The openings were wide open for Roy.

It would be interesting to see Calzaghe put his face right in front of 1994-1997 Roy Jones who's snap in his punch, reflexes were at a all time high.

Calzaghe only did that because he saw how slow Roy was end of the 1st round just like Antony Hanshaw saw 2 years earlier. Unfortunately for Hanshaw he got caught in that 11th round by Roy.

exactly these kids are on crack do you think a PRIME Jones would of been swinging like a rusty gate trying to hit Calzaghe

[Wiley Hyena]

Some fighters are not as good technically and fundamentally as others, but there a lot more athletic with much better speed. This advantage in athletic ability and speed only last for so long. Maybe 20 years old until 30 years old. A fighter who has always relied on his fundamentals and technique will be the better older fighter. Bottom line is what counts anyway is how good were you at your peak. Bernard Hopkins is a better older fighter than Roy, but what happen at there peak? This version of Hopkins would dominate this version of Roy, but the bottom line is what happen when both were young.

Calzaghe was badly hurt by a Roy Jones punch that didnt even land cleanly. Imagine if thats 1994-1997 Roy with a lot more snap in his punch.

Good point, but how do you see Calzaghe? Athletic phenom or technically brilliant? Umm...the answer is obvious. Calzaghe has retained a superior athleticism into the latter half of his 30s. This is a testiment to the fighter and the dynamism of his style as well, and is circumstantial evidence that Calzaghe would have been more than competitive with a prime Jones, Jr.

Some people just cannot view Calzaghe's "pitty pat" style on par with the zipping snap of Jones, Jr. However, it was Jones himself who last night said, "those pitty pat shots were harder than I expected." This tells us alot about what really happens in Calzaghe fights. Calzaghe watchers, on the other hand, have understood the brutality of Calzaghe for a long time. Lacey will never be the same after that beating. Hopkins felt it and masterfully bowed out of the fight with a smile. And, the great Jones, Jr. simply could not deal with it.

[Vasyl’s dad]

of coarse i do but it makes no difference he is not technically/defensively good enough to slip the counters a prime Jones would pepper him with there was a small moment last night early on where Jones was letting his hands go and Calzaghe looked like he was struggling to deal with it

Jones could not counter effectively cause his reflexes had gone and he could not offset Calzaghe with movment cause his legs had gone in short that Jones became a stationary target with slow reflexes

Struggling to deal with it?

Joes face was inches away from Roys hands while Joes hands were at his sides.


A little tidbit you're leaving out,

Joe wasn't in his prime last night either.

Prime for prime its a very close fight and I'd give Roy a very slight edge based on having problems with southpaws who can box.


There is a reason why Jones chose not to fight Calzaghe earlier.

[Testdead]

Neither fighter owns the other BOTH have styles to cause each other huge problems. Pick-em for me.