Prime Rocky Marciano vs Prime Mike Tyson

[The Old LefHook]

The idea that a fighter or any athlete for that matter who retired in the mid 50's could compete against 80's athletes in any capacity is even more laughable.

Now I understand your handle. You have the brain of a Hippo, stud.

Yeah, Robinson could not compete with Canelo, you bonafide halfwit.

[billeau2]

Good post.

The reason I posted them was an attempt to bring this forum back to reality. Because there’s no voices or faces to these posts, you have to keep in mind who is really voicing these opinions.

Most of him are kids in their early 20’s who have never stepped foot in a ring in their life.

With that said, the idea or notion that one of the greatest, and hardest hitting heavyweights of all time would get walked over by Tyson is flat out laughable.

Amen! And in all candor, people never really get certain dimensions of what it takes to get punched in the nose and not run the other way... and the converse, what happens when you get an individual who is familiar with what it takes and will not simply succumb to the onslaught of an opponent.

I hold Marciano in a very rare light...Frankly Marchiagano's historical musings made me think...Marciano is a contradiction because he may/may not be one of the top heavies on any list, on any given day...But his ability to drive his will and make his body such a precise machine to do so are truly "one in seven generations."

And this is why these lists are so ephemoral: We have Mike Tyson who would not go on a list of the greatest heavies, but matches so well head to head with every heavy... and we have Rocky Marciano, who also might not make such a list, but showed traits that were singular in their development and execution in the ring... with the possible exception of La Motta. And what does precedent tell us? La Motta was able to beat the greatest at least once!

[billeau2]

Of course you do.

Passive aggressive behavior is something observed in f a g s and hysterical women...and I am guessing you are not a woman?

[billeau2]

The idea that a fighter or any athlete for that matter who retired in the mid 50's could compete against 80's athletes in any capacity is even more laughable.

Inevitably in these threads some halfwit comes along with this statement. As though the period between the 50's and present is such that human beings fundamentally changed in some fashion.

You have to remind the half wits that people have basically been the same for many many generations. Therefore the "changes" have to come from the environment. In Football, the type of athlete, the training of the athlete, the sophistication of the game changed, so athletes in football got a lot stronger. This is because of the money poured in, etc...there are reasons for the change.

In boxing meanwhile, the sport got less demanding, and while there are more international fighters, there were ten times as many gyms, and athletes in the sport in the past. Furthermore the skills have diminished, fighters know less things than in the past, there are less great trainers around, should I go on? AS far as size? the ideal was to come in as light as possible and that has changed, although some of it is fighters who are just not in top condition.

I agree with Jugs that there are fighters with talent coming up, and that there are developments, but anyone who watches tape and understands how much boxing has lost to other endevours would understand that the notion that a modern fighter would clearly beat an old timer is ridiculous.

[KingHippo]

Inevitably in these threads some halfwit comes along with this statement. As though the period between the 50's and present is such that human beings fundamentally changed in some fashion.

You have to remind the half wits that people have basically been the same for many many generations. Therefore the "changes" have to come from the environment. In Football, the type of athlete, the training of the athlete, the sophistication of the game changed, so athletes in football got a lot stronger. This is because of the money poured in, etc...there are reasons for the change.

In boxing meanwhile, the sport got less demanding, and while there are more international fighters, there were ten times as many gyms, and athletes in the sport in the past. Furthermore the skills have diminished, fighters know less things than in the past, there are less great trainers around, should I go on? AS far as size? the ideal was to come in as light as possible and that has changed, although some of it is fighters who are just not in top condition.

I agree with Jugs that there are fighters with talent coming up, and that there are developments, but anyone who watches tape and understands how much boxing has lost to other endevours would understand that the notion that a modern fighter would clearly beat an old timer is ridiculous.

Too verbose and asinine for my taste.

[KingHippo]

Yeah, Robinson could not compete with Canelo, you bonafide halfwit.

Of course he couldn't, you nostalgic old decrepit half of a man

[billeau2]

Too verbose and asinine for my taste.

Agreed, NHB awaits your return.

[QueensburyRules]

Too verbose and asinine for my taste.

- Hippos too Lardo and tusky to know better.

[QueensburyRules]

The idea that a fighter or any athlete for that matter who retired in the mid 50's could compete against 80's athletes in any capacity is even more laughable.

- -Not exactly enhancing the rep of French Canadian comedy is ye?

That's ok son. Most in Rocks day didn't either til the smoke cleared and the ring filled up with his victims.

[QueensburyRules]

- -And for the record, I've always favored Tyson, but this thread typical in fanboy limitations the conditions of the fight are never given.

Fighters don't fight without a contract stating those conditions...Duh!