Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[studentofthegam]

this is what it sounds like when you "learn" about boxing exclusively through outlets like the boxingscene forum

No I learned that from watching Louis. Greb is the great mystery. Nobody's seen him but will die by the fact that he is the man. I felt from simply watching his training and a little sparring that he would get spanked handily against the MW's of this day and age. Louis had fatal flaws that would get exposed against the greats that came after him. He had good handsped and power but he squared his feet up to often and threw too many punches from his hip. These bigger guys with stiff jabs and good footwork would give him fits. Is that so crazy?

[IronDanHamza]

No I learned that from watching Louis. Greb is the great mystery. Nobody's seen him but will die by the fact that he is the man. I felt from simply watching his training and a little sparring that he would get spanked handily against the MW's of this day and age. Louis had fatal flaws that would get exposed against the greats that came after him. He had good handsped and power but he squared his feet up to often and threw too many punches from his hip. These bigger guys with stiff jabs and good footwork would give him fits. Is that so crazy?

Yes.

Now please, go and learn about the History of this sport before returning to the History section.

[StarshipTrooper]

Ali worked with King on certain events, Arum on others.

Arum, interestingly enough, was Ali's lawyer.....that's how he got his start "in the biz".

Poet

[studentofthegam]

Yes.

Now please, go and learn about the History of this sport before returning to the History section.

NOw you're pissy because thats your favorite boxer. You still have never been able to defend him in any conversation we've had about him. Thank oyu oh gracious genius for the good word on Harry "The Mystery" Greb. Feel better now?

[IronDanHamza]

NOw you're pissy because thats your favorite boxer. You still have never been able to defend him in any conversation we've had about him. Thank oyu oh gracious genius for the good word on Harry "The Mystery" Greb. Feel better now?

Joe Louis is not my favourite boxer nor is he even my favourite Heavyweight. Try again.

Oh really? I have justified more than enough times on this website why I rank him as the greatest Heavyweight Champion of all time. I have no quarms with anyone who has Muhammad Ali #1 over Joe Louis.

But let's be honest, I have 'defended' him against you more than enough times in our very few conversations we have had about him. Infact, now I think about I can't recall any conversation we have shared on here for an extended length of time concerning Joe Louis.

[StarshipTrooper]

Joe Louis is not my favourite boxer nor is he even my favourite Heavyweight. Try again.

Oh really? I have justified more than enough times on this website why I rank him as the greatest Heavyweight Champion of all time. I have no quarms with anyone who has Muhammad Ali #1 over Joe Louis.

But let's be honest, I have 'defended' him against you more than enough times in our very few conversations we have had about him. Infact, now I think about I can't recall any conversation we have shared on here for an extended length of time concerning Joe Louis.

Joe Louis IS my favorite (and obviously my favorite heavyweight) but I have Ali ranked over him.....and I've begged people to convince me Louis should be #1.

Poet

[IronDanHamza]

Joe Louis IS my favorite (and obviously my favorite heavyweight) but I have Ali ranked over him.....and I've begged people to convince me Louis should be #1.

Poet

We had a very brief discussion on this a while back.

My memory may be failing me but didn't you have Louis #1 at one point?

Joe Louis isn't my favourite Heavyweight but by God am I much more fond of him than I am Ali. And if I'm being totally honest that may be a factor in my ranking.

But, personally, I struggle to split the two. Ali fought the stronger competition and has the stronger resume but Louis has the insane reign and title defences.

Like I said, I have absolutely no quarms with anyone who has Muhammad Ali #1 at HW. That is a more than reasonable argument.

But in my personal opinion, Louis' longevity and title reign backed up with an excpetional resume. Gives him that slight edge on my list.

[StarshipTrooper]

We had a very brief discussion on this a while back.

My memory may be failing me but didn't you have Louis #1 at one point?

Joe Louis isn't my favourite Heavyweight but by God am I much more fond of him than I am Ali. And if I'm being totally honest that may be a factor in my ranking.

But, personally, I struggle to split the two. Ali fought the stronger competition and has the stronger resume but Louis has the insane reign and title defences.

Like I said, I have absolutely no quarms with anyone who has Muhammad Ali #1 at HW. That is a more than reasonable argument.

But in my personal opinion, Louis' longevity and title reign backed up with an excpetional resume. Gives him that slight edge on my list.

Naw, it's JAB that had Louis #1 (still does I believe). Ali was just too damn fast in his prime for any Heavy to deal with on equal terms.

Poet

[IronDanHamza]

Naw, it's JAB that had Louis #1 (still does I believe). Ali was just too damn fast in his prime for any Heavy to deal with on equal terms.

Poet

That's very true. Frustratingly so, Ali is just a different phenom in terms of handspeed and footspeed.

Not forgetting his iron chin and cat like reflexes (60's Ali) amongst many other frustratingly gifted attributes he has.

But with all that being said I still stand by Louis being #1. As great as Ali was, for me, he just doesn't match to Louis' reign of sheer dominance and exceptional resume to go with it.

Add that fact that I outright prefer Joe Louis to Ali to be a very small factor in the ranking

[StarshipTrooper]

That's very true. Frustratingly so, Ali is just a different phenom in terms of handspeed and footspeed.

Not forgetting his iron chin and cat like reflexes (60's Ali) amongst many other frustratingly gifted attributes he has.

But with all that being said I still stand by Louis being #1. As great as Ali was, for me, he just doesn't match to Louis' reign of sheer dominance and exceptional resume to go with it.

Add that fact that I outright prefer Joe Louis to Ali to be a very small factor in the ranking

I don't care for Ali as a person.....I just can't allow my personal distaste for him color my perception of him as a fighter. I admire Louis I freely admit

Poet