Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[studentofthegam]

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why are all these fighters ranked ahead of manny pac? im not saying they aint but some one please individually point out something from there career that has them ahead of pacquiao??

They all have good records and achievements but I believe Pac blisters most of them that were in his weight classes. Pac will get his due when he's old and out of the game. Even SRR wasnt loved until he was in the twilight of his career. I guess with boxing thats just the life cycle.

[SCtrojansbaby]

most baseball fans will agree (based on statistics) that babe ruth is one of the greatest baseball players ever....up there with ty cobb, lou gherig ect all from the early 20th century while baseball had only been around for 60 some years.

is there a current baseball player you would rank with babe ruth? or how about a current team you would rank with the 1927 yankees?

Baseball fans also realize that Babe Ruth Ty Cobb was hitting MUCH slower and a FAR smaller variety of pitches and in to a field that had MUCH slower fielders. NO player from back then could make a major league team today just about everyone recognizes this Baseball is the worst as strength and conditioning was non existent back then.

It is perfectly ok to say someone is one of the greatest of all time in terms how great he is relative to his era.... just don't say if he was playing in another era he would be as good.

[JAB5239]

Baseball fans also realize that Babe Ruth Ty Cobb was hitting MUCH slower and a FAR smaller variety of pitches and in to a field that had MUCH slower fielders. NO player from back then could make a major league team today just about everyone recognizes this Baseball is the worst as strength and conditioning was non existent back then.

It is perfectly ok to say someone is one of the greatest of all time in terms how great he is relative to his era.... just don't say if he was playing in another era he would be as good.

They were also not playing with juiced balls, corked bats and the miniature fields today while being loaded up on steroids, HGH EPO, etc., etc., etc..

[SCtrojansbaby]

They were also not playing with juiced balls, corked bats and the miniature fields today while being loaded up on steroids, HGH EPO, etc., etc., etc..

That is nice, all the more reason why its ******ed to compare

[JAB5239]

That is nice, all the more reason why its ******ed to compare

So you're admitting baseball players today can't live up to those of yesteryear on an even playing field. Thank you!

[IronDanHamza]

They all have good records and achievements but I believe Pac blisters most of them that were in his weight classes. Pac will get his due when he's old and out of the game. Even SRR wasnt loved until he was in the twilight of his career. I guess with boxing thats just the life cycle.

People we're quite fond of Ray Robinson, to be honest.

Maybe not whilst he was the best fighter in the world, and he knew it too well.

But pretty much in the later of his career and after he retired people were quite fond of him.

And why do you use H2H analogies to compare greatness? It doesn't work like that.

[SCtrojansbaby]

So you're admitting baseball players today can't live up to those of yesteryear on an even playing field. Thank you!

Live up to how? Players swing faster, hit the ball harder, pitch harder and with more variety, run faster, throw harder today.

[studentofthegam]

Baseball fans also realize that Babe Ruth Ty Cobb was hitting MUCH slower and a FAR smaller variety of pitches and in to a field that had MUCH slower fielders. NO player from back then could make a major league team today just about everyone recognizes this Baseball is the worst as strength and conditioning was non existent back then.

It is perfectly ok to say someone is one of the greatest of all time in terms how great he is relative to his era.... just don't say if he was playing in another era he would be as good.

Its the same in all sports including boxing IMO. Some players could transend eras and some cant. Ruth couldnt hold Aaron's jock strap. Gherig is good in any era. This is all my opinion now. Fields were made to accomodate players like Ruth. Its just like boxing, some greats are only great for that time period. But it will never be settled. We just have to entertain ourselves with speculation.

[JAB5239]

Live up to how? Players swing faster, hit the ball harder, pitch harder and with more variety, run faster, throw harder today.

And why is that? Because they have smaller fields, juiced balls, corked bats and are loaded with steroids. Am I lying?

[SCtrojansbaby]

Its the same in all sports including boxing IMO. Some players could transend eras and some cant. Ruth couldnt hold Aaron's jock strap. Gherig is good in any era. This is all my opinion now. Fields were made to accomodate players like Ruth. Its just like boxing, some greats are only great for that time period. But it will never be settled. We just have to entertain ourselves with speculation.

I agree that there are a handful that can transcend eras because that were ahead of there time as far as athleticism. But if they played in an era where everybody is as athletic as they were they would not be nearly as good as they were in there era