Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[pacquia0]

[StarshipTrooper]

Unfortunately people are high on nostalgia and living in the past.

Pacquiao fights in an where era in which latinos, black and asians compete. The greats most of you speak of(pre 1930s) them made their mark in apartheid eras.

Another race baiter :rolleyes9:

[DeepSleep]

No one questions Pacquaio's talent but his resume doesn't have nearly as many excellent fighters as most of the fighter's in the top 25.

The main problem is the best fighter I watched Pacquaio fight was JMM and he struggled with him a plenty. Since JMM I have watched Pacquaio fight guys who seem to be cherry picked because they don't have a powerhouse straight right hand (Left handed: ODH, Cotto, Diaz. No Handed: Hatton, No anything without his wraps: Margo). Making matters worse now Arum has PacMan in a no win scenario in fighting a shot Mosley in a fight no one cares about.

Still the problem isn't just PacMan. Most of the fighter's these days are so sheltered by the promoters they never end up fighting the best talent at their weight class. Say what you want about the UFC but they have the right idea; force the best to fight the best for a single belt.

[SCtrojansbaby]

No one questions Pacquaio's talent but his resume doesn't have nearly as many excellent fighters as most of the fighter's in the top 25.

The main problem is the best fighter I watched Pacquaio fight was JMM and he struggled with him a plenty. Since JMM I have watched Pacquaio fight guys who seem to be cherry picked because they don't have a powerhouse straight right hand (Left handed: ODH, Cotto, Diaz. No Handed: Hatton, No anything without his wraps: Margo). Making matters worse now Arum has PacMan in a no win scenario in fighting a shot Mosley in a fight no one cares about.

Still the problem isn't just PacMan. Most of the fighter's these days are so sheltered by the promoters they never end up fighting the best talent at their weight class. Say what you want about the UFC but they have the right idea; force the best to fight the best for a single belt.

LOL at
1. JMM being the best fighter Pacquiao has fought... HELLO Barrera!
2. Anyone who has ever boxed between 125-135 would have trouble with Marquez.
3. Of course if you compare Pacquiao to pre historic fighters his resume doesn't match up they fought at least 3x as many fights.

[Daruhon]

Being PAC as an ATG is has no argument in this later years of boxing Pac made a mark in boxing history but at top 25 personally i have to say open for debate..anyway he is still Active or shall we say at its Primes right now He can still add more to Justify to be included..but right now i still want to see more

[New England]

LOL at
1. JMM being the best fighter Pacquiao has fought... HELLO Barrera!
2. Anyone who has ever boxed between 125-135 would have trouble with Marquez.
3. Of course if you compare Pacquiao to pre historic fighters his resume doesn't match up they fought at least 3x as many fights.

marquez finished his career at 135 with old legs in a dismal lightweight division. it was as bad as could be


there have been career lightweights, lightweights that later became WW's and MW's, etc that would have dusted marquez

i love the guy. i jones his fights. absolutely jones them
he's one of the best fighters alive in terms of the craft developed during a long career as a top tier boxer
but he's just not a dominant lightweight in terms of historical greatness.


he went life and death with michale katsidis and juan diaz, ffs

be happy that marquez isnt a dominant lightweight, we would have never gotten two absolute classics at the weight in '09 and '10

[goldenbear]

In all honesty I don't think Pac would make my top 25 all time list in history given all the great fighters and the caliber of fighters they fought. Manny has some names on his record but many of them were well past their prime when he fought them and most all time greats cleared out divisions as opposed to fight the clearly weakest guy in a division and then move up in weight. Also, considering he's the only fighter in the history of the sport of boxing to move up in weight and not lose any speed or power makes me question his performance....I think Pac makes my top 50 but not 25. For those of you who question why not top 25 because I would have to include individuals such as Charley Burley who the Great Sugar Ray Robinson ducked, Gadon (aka Old Master) for his pioneering defensive style. Most people have never heard of these individuals so how can Pac be in top 25 if most people have no frame of reference for the history of the sport past the last 30yrs.

[JAB5239]

In all honesty I don't think Pac would make my top 25 all time list in history given all the great fighters and the caliber of fighters they fought. Manny has some names on his record but many of them were well past their prime when he fought them and most all time greats cleared out divisions as opposed to fight the clearly weakest guy in a division and then move up in weight. Also, considering he's the only fighter in the history of the sport of boxing to move up in weight and not lose any speed or power makes me question his performance....I think Pac makes my top 50 but not 25. For those of you who question why not top 25 because I would have to include individuals such as Charley Burley who the Great Sugar Ray Robinson ducked, Gadon (aka Old Master) for his pioneering defensive style. Most people have never heard of these individuals so how can Pac be in top 25 if most people have no frame of reference for the history of the sport past the last 30yrs.

I agree with all you have said, but I have no idea who Gadon is. Do you mean Joe Gans?

[SCtrojansbaby]

marquez finished his career at 135 with old legs in a dismal lightweight division. it was as bad as could be


there have been career lightweights, lightweights that later became WW's and MW's, etc that would have dusted marquez

i love the guy. i jones his fights. absolutely jones them
he's one of the best fighters alive in terms of the craft developed during a long career as a top tier boxer
but he's just not a dominant lightweight in terms of historical greatness.


he went life and death with michale katsidis and juan diaz, ffs

be happy that marquez isnt a dominant lightweight, we would have never gotten two absolute classics at the weight in '09 and '10

Marquez is an exciting fighter so he makes fights look good but he beat Katsidis and DiazII handily. And he KO'd Diaz as an underdog which was very impressive. As I said their isn't a boxer in history from 125-135 who wouldn't "have trouble" with Marquez.

[SCtrojansbaby]

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