Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[IronDanHamza]

the last 3

McLarnin
Walcott
Ross

Barney Ross was an offical 3 weight World champion, a tremendously difficult task back then. 2 of them in which he defended numerous times.

With great wins over Canzeroni x2, Mclarnin x2. Including a long list of wins Vs Top competition and good fighters. Add the fact he was never stopped across 81 and had one of the all time great chins. Is enough for me to ranked above Manny Pacqiuao, around the 25-30 mark.

Joe Walcott was a freakishlty powerful guy, one of the hardest punchers in the history of the sport. Arguably one of the greatest WW Champions of all time which is one of the deepest divisions of all time.

He was the offical WW Champion in a time where it was an incredibly difficult task, along with a list of impressive of title defences. Including KO victories in which he was outweighed by an insane amount and in which he was tipped for a certain loss.

Add draws with Hof'er argubally Top 15 of all time Joe Gans and arguablly the greatest fighter of all time in Sam Langford to that, ones in which cases can be made for him to win. That's enough to me for him to be ranked above Manny Pacqiauo.

Jimmy Mclarnin, truely one of the greatest fighters ever. Beating Pacho Villa at Flyweight to go on to beat Tony Canzoneri at WW. With wins over Barney Ross, Young Corbett 3, Benny Leonard (although done) and a string of excellent fighters in between, which in total include 13 HOF fighters. Is enough to me for him to be ranked above Manny Pacqiauo.

I'm sure many others could go into even more detail why they should be.

[Spartacus Sully]

Boxing fans much like Soccer fans are stuck in the stone age baseball hockey football etc fans all recognize that the guys of this era are better.

most baseball fans will agree (based on statistics) that babe ruth is one of the greatest baseball players ever....up there with ty cobb, lou gherig ect all from the early 20th century while baseball had only been around for 60 some years.

is there a current baseball player you would rank with babe ruth? or how about a current team you would rank with the 1927 yankees?

[Scott9945]

The only reason people wont consider Pacquiao a top 25 ATG is that they cant stand the fact an Asian fighter has achieved all this. Its funny that in a sport where most of the champions have been non-white that the champions considered the greatest are white.

People often root for their own colour. Its no suprize people rate whites as the greatest fighters. Floyds unbeaten record is laughed at yet Marcianos is great. JCCs record winning streak and title record is dissmissed.

Thanks for turning this into a crybaby thread.

[Barn]

My Top 5 P4P consits of 1 white fighter and that is Harry Greb and he is an obvious choice to anynoe who posseses a brain.

[Steak]

Greb
Wilde
Monzon
Gans
Gavilan
Fitzsimmons
Griffith
Walker
Tunney
Jofre
Napoles
Ketchel
McLarnin
Walcott
Ross


why are all these fighters ranked ahead of manny pac? im not saying they aint but some one please individually point out something from there career that has them ahead of pacquiao??

I dont believe Jofre and Wilde should be rated above Pacquiao.

[joseph5620]

I dont believe Jofre and Wilde should be rated above Pacquiao.

Based on what?

[Steak]

Based on what?

Pacquiao's best win(Barrera) is better than Jofre's best win(Medel).

Pacquiao has more wins over top competition than Jofre.

Pacquiao's wins over top competition are overall more impressive.

Pacquiao had more success over multiple weight classes.(extra credit, not what makes him great)

[StarshipTrooper]

most baseball fans will agree (based on statistics) that babe ruth is one of the greatest baseball players ever....up there with ty cobb, lou gherig ect all from the early 20th century while baseball had only been around for 60 some years.

is there a current baseball player you would rank with babe ruth? or how about a current team you would rank with the 1927 yankees?

Funny how practically ALL Hockey fans regard some guy who played his best seasons circa 25 years ago as the runaway best Hockey player ever.....some dude named Gretzky (maybe Trojanman's heard of him).

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

As to your baseball example...funny how a change in rules on, um, vitamins has seen so much of the 'progress' of the last 20 years is regressing back to an increase in small ball and base running.

Yeah who would have thought cracking down on 'rhoids and HGH would cause homers to fall back to 1970s levels :hahahaha9:

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Thanks for turning this into a crybaby thread.

Yeah, there's always someone who's got to drag race into it. Funny that, I'm white as Casper The ****ing Ghost and my ATG lists are loaded with black and Latino fighters.

Poet