ATG's who would benefit from mass gain and those who would not

[DeeMoney]

Conn,at 6 '1 1/2",was the same height as Louis.

But as I wrote, Louis had a reach advantage over him.

I was responding to the statement of how 'Louis was going to catch tall opponents...' by pointing out the fighter most cited as being 'difficult to catch' was not taller or rangier than Louis. While the bigger fighters he fought were not really those who were 'hard to catch'.

[BKM-]

With modern nutrition Sonny would be perfect at 225-30.

Prime George was always kept far too light by his trainers anyway.

He should have fought at 235-40.

As for Rocky unless he ended up looking like the Michelin man there is no way he could carry more than 205.

There are weight classes for a reason.

To point out something about George, when people think of his comeback they picture the older overweight man in his last boxing years in their minds. But what is forgotten are the first few years of his comeback in the 1980s when he was in his mid to late 30s. He looked quite different, he still had a lot of muscle mass and was relatively lean.

in 87 he weighed in at a massive 267pounds. He would go above 270 in the next few fights, looking like this:
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So it is spot on that 225 pounds was way too light for him in the 70s. I guess he was still blowing everybody away that they figured it was fine, and maybe being leaner for speed would be better against Ali. I disagree, as a 240-250lb Foreman grappling Ali against the ropes would have made it a tougher fight.

[them_apples]

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he was 220 in the ams. not in shape though (marciano)

[them_apples]

I just know from my own experience after I gained a good amount of mass in my late 20s(And no I didn't get fat lol) my movements in every way slowed down whether it was striking training, playing basketball or just work related movements. I used to be able to race up ladders and scaffolds but it's a different story now, and this already started in my early 30s(I'm 34 now) so it's not really age, you just carry mass differently.

Anyway, Louis was obviously lightyears ahead in the genetics department but again, he had cement feet even when he was at his lightest weight. Great footwork, but not fast with his base. How is he going to catch such tall powerful opponents with very long reach? Joe wasn't very tall or big. He would not be able to compensate. He can't close the distance with fast forward explosions and on the inside he will be outmuscled.

These other light guys who gained all that muscle were always great movers and boy did they still move around well at their biggest weight. Usyk, Evander, David Haye, Byrd etc.

how did he catch Buddy Baer then. 6 ft 7 245

[Anomalocaris]

how did he catch Buddy Baer then. 6 ft 7 245

Because he was a relative bum.

[shawnkemp804]

George Foreman was 230 pounds as a amateur. After he won the gold medal he sparred guys like Liston and Cleveland Williams of course and was still 230 or so. I don't know why he came down to 218 when he turned pro and got to as light as 212 for 1 bout. According to various people I talked to who were born doing that time frame they said Foreman's people though his physique looked better when he was lighter. But if Foreman would of stayed 230/240 in his prime would he had been better? He only lost 2 times in his prime to began with and only 3 people went the distance with him. So how much better could he had been?

Boxers doing that time frame came in the ring lighter because people expected you to be in great shape. If you weren't you got called out for it. Also if somebody was in great shape and you weren't you would pay in the ring. You think overweight guys like Andy Ruiz for example would of done anything back in the 1970's? This guys stamina and skill set is so bad that he only landed 76 punches in 12 rounds against a 50 year old Luis Ortiz for crying out loud.

I can't think of any top heavyweight benefiting from just putting weight on but I can say Buster Douglas would of been better if he would of just stayed around 230/235. His weight just jumped around all the time. Even in his prime he weighed as much as 261.

[QueensburyRules]

George Foreman was 230 pounds as a amateur. After he won the gold medal he sparred guys like Liston and Cleveland Williams of course and was still 230 or so. I don't know why he came down to 218 when he turned pro and got to as light as 212 for 1 bout. According to various people I talked to who were born doing that time frame they said Foreman's people though his physique looked better when he was lighter. But if Foreman would of stayed 230/240 in his prime would he had been better? He only lost 2 times in his prime to began with and only 3 people went the distance with him. So how much better could he had been?

Boxers doing that time frame came in the ring lighter because people expected you to be in great shape. If you weren't you got called out for it. Also if somebody was in great shape and you weren't you would pay in the ring. You think overweight guys like Andy Ruiz for example would of done anything back in the 1970's? This guys stamina and skill set is so bad that he only landed 76 punches in 12 rounds against a 50 year old Luis Ortiz for crying out loud.

I can't think of any top heavyweight benefiting from just putting weight on but I can say Buster Douglas would of been better if he would of just stayed around 230/235. His weight just jumped around all the time. Even in his prime he weighed as much as 261.

- - Saddler was an ol'school Doc Kearns trained trainer who believed in dehydration the day of the fight. After being drugged by Saddler in the Ali fight whom he ditched post haste, his weight started climbing into the 220s and he looked better, smoother.

[Bronson66]

- - Saddler was an ol'school Doc Kearns trained trainer who believed in dehydration the day of the fight. After being drugged by Saddler in the Ali fight whom he ditched post haste, his weight started climbing into the 220s and he looked better, smoother.

Kearns never trained anybody,something else I've told you before.
Foreman turned pro weighing219lbs
In1970/71 Foreman was in the 220's.
1972 He was
225
221
220
1974 224 3/4 against Norton, and 220 against Ali.
All whilst with SADLER . One L.

[GhostofDempsey]

I think most of them would have been at their best as cruiserweights today.

In the lower weight classes I think LaMotta, Robinson, Greb, Walker, would all have flourished at 168 today.

[Bronson66]

I think most of them would have been at their best as cruiserweights today.

In the lower weight classes I think LaMotta, Robinson, Greb, Walker, would all have flourished at 168 today.

I don't think 168 would have suited the slim Robinson,but it would have certainly benefitted Lamotta who struggled to make 160 lbs for years.