Why do the largest HWs in history lose to relatively small HWs?

[QueensburyRules]

Lol first off until recently nobody acted like being taller or fatter than somebody was a advantage. Second Tyson Fury isn't a 281 pound guy. He is a 230 pound guy who comes in the ring fat. Usyk isn't a 226 pound guy. He is a 190 pound guy who put on weight to be 226. Jess Willard ******, he was just a big oaf the white race needed to beat Jack Johnson. Vitali quit because he hurt his arm against Chris Byrd. Byrd was down on the score card by far. Primo Carnera was just a huge goof ball who was controlled by the mafia and Valuev was huge but extremely unskilled

This is funny because you would frequently see 6'6 plus 250 pound plus guys like Michael Grant, Lance Whitaker, Jorge Luis Gonzales, Mike White, Stanley Wright, Corey Sanders, Jameel McCline etc guys in the 1990's and nobody made big deal about their size or were shocked when a "smaller" man beat them. The moment a person brings up the term super heavyweight or act like boxers are bigger now you know they are casuals. You know, like most people you see talking about boxing.

Once you are legit 200 pounds you are a true heavyweight and based off the last 50 years of boxing I will say the ideal heavyweight is between 6'1 and 6'4/6'5. But being taller than somebody or just being heavier than somebody once you are over 200 pounds isn't a advantage.

- - Usyk Gold Medal Olympic HVY, ie +200lbs in the ring. He can come in whatever weight he wants whereas U are stilted at any weight.

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Old man Evander Holyfield beat Valuev too but got robbed,

[shawnkemp804]

Usyk has beaten the 3 men ranked directly below him.

Lol in at trash era. Usyk beat a old Chazz Witherspoon, a old Derek Chisora who was never good and Usyk barely beat him. Usyk then got a title shot against Joshua who was just beat senseless 2 fights before by Andy Ruiz. Then Usyk beat Daniel Dubois after Joe Joyce broke his eye socket and Keven Lerena almost stopped him. Then Usyk beat a 36 year old overweight drug addicted Tyson Fury who did nothing with his career besides beat no talent Deontay Wilder and a 40 year old Wladimir Klitschko 11 years ago and barely beat him.

Yeah Usyk is the greatest heavyweight of all time to 13 year old kids and other casual boxing fans.

[shawnkemp804]

I agree that this is a down time to be active at heavyweight, but Usyk beat the #1 and #2 heavies...TWICE.

IMO, Usyk is a top 12 heavyweight of all time. It is laugble that you " think " he is not even average. Troll on I supose.

If you think Usyk is a top 100 ATG heavyweight then you have severe mental issues. The only people who hype this guy up are white dudes and I never talked to a white dude in my life who knew a damn thing about boxing. They only hype him up because he is white and they are white just like they continue to hype up Rocky Marciano.

Lol he beat the number 1 and number 2 fighter of this era twice? Which again shows you how bad this era is. Also before Deontay Wilder got beat by Parker and Zhang I could of sworn all of you said Wilder would beat Joshua. Lol but Usyk beating Joshua a fighter everybody here says is a overrated hype job after Andy Ruiz beat him first and then beating Tyson Fury a guy who did nothing with his career besides barely beat a 40 year old Wlad doesn't make you a ATG.

The dumb stuff that white people say on a routine basic just cracks me up. Buster Douglas beating Mike Tyson is far more impressive than Usyk beating Joshua after Ruiz beat him and a druggy overweight Fury. I never heard anybody say Douglas is a ATG. Michael Moorer beating Holyfield is more impressive than anything Usyk has done. Moorer isn't a ATG.

This is why I can't take anything white dudes say about boxing as being serious.

[Dr Z]

If you think Usyk is a top 100 ATG heavyweight then you have severe mental issues. The only people who hype this guy up are white dudes and I never talked to a white dude in my life who knew a damn thing about boxing. They only hype him up because he is white and they are white just like they continue to hype up Rocky Marciano.

Lol he beat the number 1 and number 2 fighter of this era twice? Which again shows you how bad this era is. Also before Deontay Wilder got beat by Parker and Zhang I could of sworn all of you said Wilder would beat Joshua. Lol but Usyk beating Joshua a fighter everybody here says is a overrated hype job after Andy Ruiz beat him first and then beating Tyson Fury a guy who did nothing with his career besides barely beat a 40 year old Wlad doesn't make you a ATG.

The dumb stuff that white people say on a routine basic just cracks me up. Buster Douglas beating Mike Tyson is far more impressive than Usyk beating Joshua after Ruiz beat him and a druggy overweight Fury. I never heard anybody say Douglas is a ATG. Michael Moorer beating Holyfield is more impressive than anything Usyk has done. Moorer isn't a ATG.

This is why I can't take anything white dudes say about boxing as being serious.

I skip you racist jive, but will say this. Eastern European guys, who are mostly " white " have ruled heavyweight boxing for 20 years. Likey much to your chagrin .


Americans that are white, black, red, yellow, or brown must have forgotten how to fight, OR I say they never faced the group of Eastern Europeans in the past 40-100 years.


I will let you ponder which it is.


If the Eastern Euros would have gone professional earlier, upper weight boxing history would be very different.


As it stands now if I were to rank this group they would look something like this:


2000-2025


1A. Vitali

2b Wlad

3. Usyk

4. Povetkin

5 Chagaev


No one form the USA and UK rates would rate as high as #3.

[shawnkemp804]

I skip you racist jive, but will say this. Eastern European guys, who are mostly " white " have ruled heavyweight boxing for 20 years. Likey much to your chagrin .


Americans that are white, black, red, yellow, or brown must have forgotten how to fight, OR I say they never faced the group of Eastern Europeans in the past 40-100 years.


I will let you ponder which it is.


If the Eastern Euros would have gone professional earlier, upper weight boxing history would be very different.


As it stands now if I were to rank this group they would look something like this:


2000-2025


1A. Vitali

2b Wlad

3. Usyk

4. Povetkin

5 Chagaev


No one form the USA and UK rates would rate as high as #3.

Lol you mean when black males don't care about boxing anymore? Even then Joshua, and Wilder were still champions recently. Wilder held the title for 5 years. Also before that blacks dominated the division for 50 years much to your chagrin.

Vitali and Wlad turned pro in the 90's and couldn't win the belt until Lewis retired. Lol if more Eastern Europeans would of turned pro before white boy nothing would of changed.

Usyk is so trash that he barely beats sloppy seconds. David Haye a black male destroyed Derek Chisora a black male first. Usyk barely beat the faded Chisora. Andy Ruiz a Mexican destroyed Joshua a black male. Usyk had to eek out a decision against the same Joshua. Usyk beat Dubois after Joyce broke his eye socked.

Usyk boxes in a era where nobody cares about boxing. Logan Paul a Youtuber gets higher PPV buys than Usyk does. Usyk fights in a era where nobody watches boxing. Like I said if Usyk was black the same racist white boys who praise him would be calling him racial slurs. So my point stands. Usyk is trash, him beating trash Tyson Fury and trash Joshua doesn't make him a ATG and the only people who think Usyk is great are racist white dudes like yourself.

[Willie Pep 229]

Lol in at trash era. Usyk beat a old Chazz Witherspoon, a old Derek Chisora who was never good and Usyk barely beat him. Usyk then got a title shot against Joshua who was just beat senseless 2 fights before by Andy Ruiz. Then Usyk beat Daniel Dubois after Joe Joyce broke his eye socket and Keven Lerena almost stopped him. Then Usyk beat a 36 year old overweight drug addicted Tyson Fury who did nothing with his career besides beat no talent Deontay Wilder and a 40 year old Wladimir Klitschko 11 years ago and barely beat him.

Yeah Usyk is the greatest heavyweight of all time to 13 year old kids and other casual boxing fans.

Good. Prize fighting always need a guy like that.

Personally I don't think 13 year old's know who he is.

[them_apples]

Lol first off until recently nobody acted like being taller or fatter than somebody was a advantage. Second Tyson Fury isn't a 281 pound guy. He is a 230 pound guy who comes in the ring fat. Usyk isn't a 226 pound guy. He is a 190 pound guy who put on weight to be 226. Jess Willard ******, he was just a big oaf the white race needed to beat Jack Johnson. Vitali quit because he hurt his arm against Chris Byrd. Byrd was down on the score card by far. Primo Carnera was just a huge goof ball who was controlled by the mafia and Valuev was huge but extremely unskilled

This is funny because you would frequently see 6'6 plus 250 pound plus guys like Michael Grant, Lance Whitaker, Jorge Luis Gonzales, Mike White, Stanley Wright, Corey Sanders, Jameel McCline etc guys in the 1990's and nobody made big deal about their size or were shocked when a "smaller" man beat them. The moment a person brings up the term super heavyweight or act like boxers are bigger now you know they are casuals. You know, like most people you see talking about boxing.

Once you are legit 200 pounds you are a true heavyweight and based off the last 50 years of boxing I will say the ideal heavyweight is between 6'1 and 6'4/6'5. But being taller than somebody or just being heavier than somebody once you are over 200 pounds isn't a advantage.

Yeah so many godamn casuals man its absurd. Once the fist lands on a chin hard enough anyone can be put out. Being fat and tall doesn’t suddenly give you a chin. Its honestly the same people all the time though. Size kings. Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows it doesn’t matter because we have boatloads of evidence over the course of 100+ years

[Bronson66]

Lol in at trash era. Usyk beat a old Chazz Witherspoon, a old Derek Chisora who was never good and Usyk barely beat him. Usyk then got a title shot against Joshua who was just beat senseless 2 fights before by Andy Ruiz. Then Usyk beat Daniel Dubois after Joe Joyce broke his eye socket and Keven Lerena almost stopped him. Then Usyk beat a 36 year old overweight drug addicted Tyson Fury who did nothing with his career besides beat no talent Deontay Wilder and a 40 year old Wladimir Klitschko 11 years ago and barely beat him.

Yeah Usyk is the greatest heavyweight of all time to 13 year old kids and other casual boxing fans.

Witherspoon was 37 and hadnt lost in the previous 7 years. Chirora's last fight was a win over no8 ranked Joyce.

Q.What evidence do you have that Fury was drug addicted when he lost to Usyk?

A.Absolutely none!

[Bronson66]

Yeah so many godamn casuals man its absurd. Once the fist lands on a chin hard enough anyone can be put out. Being fat and tall doesnât suddenly give you a chin. Its honestly the same people all the time though. Size kings. Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows it doesnât matter because we have boatloads of evidence over the course of 100+ years

Please name these"people ,"these,"casuals," on here?