Tunney & Louis

[MarbleFallsMauler]

If he had done, what would the result have been is the question?

As I stated, Louis would have little to no trouble with Tunney. Tunney is smaller, certainly runs well, but if he got knocked down by a an old slow Dempsey then a Prime Louis would walk him down and knock him out.

Like Joe said: he can run, but he can't hide.

[BKM-]

As I stated, Louis would have little to no trouble with Tunney. Tunney is smaller, certainly runs well, but if he got knocked down by a an old slow Dempsey then a Prime Louis would walk him down and knock him out.

Like Joe said: he can run, but he can't hide.

Nice contradiction mentioning the Dempsey KD. Earlier you discounted the same example of a smaller man doing to Louis what Tunney was even better at doing to opponents.

Tunney's all wrong for him. Moves too well, too many angles, too much stamina, heart etc. If you're gonna go for Louis that's fine but acting like he would have "little to no trouble" with an ATG styles mismatch when Joe's career is littered with embarrassing knockdowns and getting lit up by quick boxers.

[them_apples]

As I stated, Louis would have little to no trouble with Tunney. Tunney is smaller, certainly runs well, but if he got knocked down by a an old slow Dempsey then a Prime Louis would walk him down and knock him out.

Like Joe said: he can run, but he can't hide.

The only problem with this is Tunney actually dominated Dempsey. It’s a part about that fight that gets overlooked because Dempsey was loved so much. But Tunney actually schooled Dempsey for the vast majority of the bout. Enough to say he just needs to avoid that lucky shot.

and to further his case even the long count is void because you can see Tunney following the timer put in front of him - he clears his head.

couple missed hooks in that fight that made me personally observe that Dempsey was indeed a very heavy handed puncher.

[them_apples]

Nice contradiction mentioning the Dempsey KD. Earlier you discounted the same example of a smaller man doing to Louis what Tunney was even better at doing to opponents.

Tunney's all wrong for him. Moves too well, too many angles, too much stamina, heart etc. If you're gonna go for Louis that's fine but acting like he would have "little to no trouble" with an ATG styles mismatch when Joe's career is littered with embarrassing knockdowns and getting lit up by quick boxers.

This is true actually….

only argument is Louis was winning so much and could have underestimated Conn. not every night is the best night. Where as Tunney and Dempsey was a massive event.

it wouldn’t surprise me if Tunney figured Louis out though. He’s one of those fighters if you watch closely enough he doesn’t lose many rounds.

[QueensburyRules]

Personally, I would have to bet on Tunney--that he would finish what Conn started. Gene had a similar style and was better and bigger than Conn. Using the same blueprint he only needs to exploit what Conn already exposed.

- - Musta fergot that Louis, in spite of overtraining so as not to have his natural weight advantage over Conn for public relations damage control, KTFO of Conn and did it quicker in the rematch.

Prime Louis ain't a 3 years rusty Hollywood Dempsey horrifically sick on fight day making his post Hollywood debut.

Let us not forget Dempsey KOed Tunney in the rematch where Jack had suffered the suicide of his brother who had been his trainer before Kearns.

Tunney wisely realized his limitations after that fight for a mop up fight and retirement...yup!!!

[Bronson66]

- - Musta fergot that Louis, in spite of overtraining so as not to have his natural weight advantage over Conn for public relations damage control, KTFO of Conn and did it quicker in the rematch.

Prime Louis ain't a 3 years rusty Hollywood Dempsey horrifically sick on fight day making his post Hollywood debut.

Let us not forget Dempsey KOed Tunney in the rematch where Jack had suffered the suicide of his brother who had been his trainer before Kearns.

Tunney wisely realized his limitations after that fight for a mop up fight and retirement...yup!!!

Louis did not overtrain for Conn he dried out too much trying to get below 200lbs.Conn was thoroughly washed up in the rematch.

Kearns never trained Dempsey,or anyone else.Jimmy DeForest was Dempsey's trainer.

[JAB5239]

- - Musta fergot that Louis, in spite of overtraining so as not to have his natural weight advantage over Conn for public relations damage control, KTFO of Conn and did it quicker in the rematch.

Prime Louis ain't a 3 years rusty Hollywood Dempsey horrifically sick on fight day making his post Hollywood debut.

Let us not forget Dempsey KOed Tunney in the rematch where Jack had suffered the suicide of his brother who had been his trainer before Kearns.

Tunney wisely realized his limitations after that fight for a mop up fight and retirement...yup!!!

Tunney was not ko'd vs Dempsey anymore than Douglas was against Tyson. A fighter can only follow the refs count. Both did and were up before ten. You can say they would have been knocked out, you just can't prove it. Either way, they beat the count.

[them_apples]

Tunney was not ko'd vs Dempsey anymore than Douglas was against Tyson. A fighter can only follow the refs count. Both did and were up before ten. You can say they would have been knocked out, you just can't prove it. Either way, they beat the count.

Honestly Tunney shook it off like an old pro. He was fine

[Bronson66]

Honestly Tunney shook it off like an old pro. He was fine

Tunney always said he could have gotten up earlier but stated he did not know if he would have survived had he done so.

[Dr Z]

Simply stated Tunney feet, reach, and defense were too good for Louis who definitely struggled to look good vs. boxer types. And that is an understatement. For those who don't buy into this statement, check the official score cards vs Schmeling, Conn, Chalres and Walcott. The best boxers Louis faced. They had good feet as Tunney did too.


Tunney's chin and stamina were very good to excellent making the possibility of a come from behind Ko unlikely. And his ring IQ was also excellent.

Tunney UD 10 rounds to 5 is my call.