Tunney & Louis

[billeau2]

He came to the UK, when I learned he was coming I asked for his flight details and offered to meet him at the airport.3 times I posted requesting the info and I also sent him 2 pms all this on ESB.
He never answered a single one,and he was the one who originally challenged me !

I was 63, and he said he was 34, and 6'2",
He never acknowledged any of my messages till he was safely back in the US again and some think I'm too hard on him!

Lol. Everyone is 6'2" and 20 to 35... .

[billeau2]

Tunney beat a washed up Dempsey whose inactivity defeated him about as much as Tunney's boxing. I don't think Tunney beats a more prime version of Dempsey. He nearly lost the rematch and was saved by the long count. A prime Louis would walk him down. He would eventually counter Tunney with a punch he doesn't see coming. Conn was only slightly smaller in weight than Tunney, but taller. I think Tunney had a better chin but slower footwork, he takes too much punishment from Louis. Joe would wear him down to a UD win or possibly a KO.

Even though I disagree this is a really well reasoned outpost ghost... I mean I agree about Dempsey I just think Tunney was so careful... But I never thought about the relative merits of Conn, it's a good comparison!

[Dr Z]

He came to the UK, when I learned he was coming I asked for his flight details and offered to meet him at the airport.3 times I posted requesting the info and I also sent him 2 pms all this on ESB.
He never answered a single one,and he was the one who originally challenged me !

I was 63, and he said he was 34, and 6'2",
He never acknowledged any of my messages till he was safely back in the US again and some think I'm too hard on him!

WHAT???




Tony McVey, Tonto62, Ivich or whatever other name you've been BANNED under. AND Bronson ( all the same guy ). Listen up because I only intended to stay this once.

I said Gunboat TKO'd Jack in a 4 rounder, it was an exhibition match. His manager halted the match when Jack saw stars and was down out from a punch .

Fight news reported that Lewis had loose tape on the glove, not I.

Fitz vs Ruhlin was filmed. Never did I say when and how. You are a bet welcher

Burns is reported having a Jaundice and looked yellow. Read the Burns book! It is right there. Or read Kevin Smith. As it was, Johnson beat on a 168 pound sickly man!

According to Jeannette, not me, he weighed 165 pounds. And Johsnon low blowed him and was DQ, yet somehow kept his title.

The NY Times, not I said Johsnson was groggy, and he struggled to get up as was resting on the ropes vs Ketchel.

Johsnon did foul in several of his fights so are on film, others are news reported.

According to two books, Johnson quit in one the the kl@n***e fights. You really are an idiot.

Yes, It is my opinion that Louis had some favorable judgement and his manager was convicted on Money running. You did hear of the fixed fights problems at MSG in the 1930's and 1940's? Maybe you didn't

Got that.

Old debates with you....




Now you in fact went dark for 2-3 months at ESB. I asked you several times to pick a ring. Hitting people is legal in boxing rings. You never picked a ring. Depending on your manor, I might have taken it easy on you. When I was there in the UK you appeared on line after a long hiatus for posting at ESB. Remember I sent you the months at EBS when you went dark as the site show such information. I kept saying where is Mcvey ( one of yor nmerous post. You retored you were recovering from surgery to explain you absence. Instead you came back and picked the one place any person would not want trouble the airport and to top things off you said you your son works in security there.




*** Watch out for those **** gangs in England and remeber to keep your can had high. *** Just in cae the UK needs you defenses! Stay sharp old man, one day we might be in the same fox hole.




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[Bronson66]

WHAT???




Tony McVey, Tonto62, Ivich or whatever other name you've been BANNED under. AND Bronson ( all the same guy ). Listen up because I only intended to stay this once.

I said Gunboat TKO'd Jack in a 4 rounder, it was an exhibition match. His manager halted the match when Jack saw stars and was down out from a punch .

Fight news reported that Lewis had loose tape on the glove, not I.

Fitz vs Ruhlin was filmed. Never did I say when and how. You are a bet welcher

Burns is reported having a Jaundice and looked yellow. Read the Burns book! It is right there. Or read Kevin Smith. As it was, Johnson beat on a 168 pound sickly man!

According to Jeannette, not me, he weighed 165 pounds. And Johsnon low blowed him and was DQ, yet somehow kept his title.

The NY Times, not I said Johsnson was groggy, and he struggled to get up as was resting on the ropes vs Ketchel.

Johsnon did foul in several of his fights so are on film, others are news reported.

According to two books, Johnson quit in one the the kl@n***e fights. You really are an idiot.

Yes, It is my opinion that Louis had some favorable judgement and his manager was convicted on Money running. You did hear of the fixed fights problems at MSG in the 1930's and 1940's? Maybe you didn't

Got that.

Old debates with you....




Now you in fact went dark for 2-3 months at ESB. I asked you several times to pick a ring. Hitting people is legal in boxing rings. You never picked a ring. Depending on your manor, I might have taken it easy on you. When I was there in the UK you appeared on line after a long hiatus for posting at ESB. Remember I sent you the months at EBS when you went dark as the site show such information. I kept saying where is Mcvey ( one of yor nmerous post. You retored you were recovering from surgery to explain you absence. Instead you came back and picked the one place any person would not want trouble the airport and to top things off you said you your son works in security there.




*** Watch out for those **** gangs in England and remeber to keep your can had high. *** Just in cae the UK needs you defenses! Stay sharp old man, one day we might be in the same fox hole.




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I dont know what relevance you think all the underlined has to Tunney v Louis?

As you have been told numerous times,Smith and Johnson sparred and Smith knocked Johnson half way through the ropes,and that is a d quote from Smith himself in a taped interview with Peter Heller in 1972printed in his book In This Corner.

You have claimed Lennox Lewis deliberately cut Vitalis eye with 1. loose tape.2.his hair style! Both are false and Vitali had 3 cuts on his face which needed over 60 stitches to repair.
You also claimed Lewis was more marked up than Vitali until I posted a photo of them in the ring together immediately after the fight!

You claimed the Fitzsimmons v Ruhlin fight was filmed,it wasn't a re-enactment was made later You also claimed you had spoken to Ted Spoon and he had confirmed the fight was filmed , I contacted Ted and he said he had told you nothing of the kind.
Adam Pollack Steve Compton and Gilbert Odd,three boxing authors two of whom have written biographies of Fitzsimmons confirmed the fight was not filmed.A reenactment is not the real fight.You reneged on our bet.

Verified quotes from Burns in Pollacks biography of Johnson state Burns said he was in the best condition of his life for the Johnson fight.

Burns and the promoter of the fight were very close friends,do you not think as Champion he would have postponed the fight if he was unwell?

If he had jaundice do you think he would have gone though with the title defence?

Do you also not think Burns would have mentioned having the illness at some time in his life?
Have you ever seen a quote from Burns claiming he had it?

Kevin Smith?The author who only once posted on ESB and that was to tell you to not attribute quotes to him he had not made .
Here is another piece of BS you said,that Burns severely damaged Johnsons ribs,and he went to hospital for treatment after the fight,actually he went for a swim!

Pollacks biographies of Johnson state he did not quit against Klon***e.

Louis; manager was a numbers runner, opponents of Louis had managers who really were "Mob Connected". Braddock,Baer,Walcott,Beshore,Carnera and Sharkey being just 6 of them.

You said that after Ketchel knocked Johnson down he was so groggy he had to hold onto the ropes to prevent himself from falling! lol

Johnson was DSQ'd once in his career against Jeannette when Johnson was in front , in what was described as a controversial decision.
What would have been Johnson's motive for fouling out in a fight he was winning?


Fixed fights at the Garden in the 30's and 40's?
Louis had 10 championship fights at the Garden,only 2 went the distance the first Walcott and Godoy fights.If Louis was the beneficiary of favourable judging at the venue,why as Champion ,did he not insist on having the return fights there?
And why did he have completely different officials for those two rematches? lol .

After you had ducked out on meeting me for a fight a challenge you had instigated, and you were back in the US, I was hospitalized with a DVT in my left leg ,and an acute pulmonary embolism in my right lung

.I stopped posting for a total of two weeks.

One of my Sons works at Gatwick, since you refused to provide me with any details of your flight,including which airport you would be landing at ,how would his work station being at Gatwick have any bearing on you meeting me? I had no idea which airport in the UK you would arrive at,and I certainly would not have needed to enlist the aid of one of my kids to have a scrap with a yellow POS like you!

Now you brought all this old history up and I've countered it with the truth, something you are a total stranger to.

To summarise and be perfectly frank, I don't think you are dealing with a full deck.