The Marciano Court Marshall That Many Deny Happened

[them_apples]

What needs to be noted are a few things about the Rocky va Ali computer fight:

1: it certainly got heated and had to be toned down on numerous occasions.

2: Ali was younger but out of shape and inactive while Marciano was older but trained quite hard for the show. He was reportedly running 10 miles a day and went from 255 to 235 lbs. Ali was 235 as well.

3: they bith did load up and wack eachother for a few reasons - while body shots were allowed at first - Ali doesn’t throw many body shots and Marciano does - it favored him a lot and he was hitting Alis arms very hard and damaging them. Ali kept telling rock it was just a sparring session and to tone down the power.

4: Ali kept knocking Rockys toupee off on purpose. Marciano responded by hitting Ali in the solar plexus and putting him down and out - Ali refusing to continue until he got paid more.

5: Ali did load up and drill Marciano to the jaw - it apparently stiffened Marciano up and was a good shot.

6: Marciano started pushing the pace very hard later on and Ali was visibly wincing and tiring from body shots.

7: Ali was seen showing off welts and bruises in a restaurant afterwards.

Marciano was quoted as saying “Ali had a very fast left hand, I could barely see it�br />
Ali was quoted as saying : “ooo he hit hard - he hit me so hard it shook my kinfolk back in Africa. He used this statement first with Rocky and later on with Shavers.

when asked later who would be his hardest fight, on every occasion he said “Rocky Marciano�

[Bronson66]

What needs to be noted are a few things about the Rocky va Ali computer fight:

1: it certainly got heated and had to be toned down on numerous occasions.

2: Ali was younger but out of shape and inactive while Marciano was older but trained quite hard for the show. He was reportedly running 10 miles a day and went from 255 to 235 lbs. Ali was 235 as well.

3: they bith did load up and wack eachother for a few reasons - while body shots were allowed at first - Ali doesnât throw many body shots and Marciano does - it favored him a lot and he was hitting Alis arms very hard and damaging them. Ali kept telling rock it was just a sparring session and to tone down the power.

4: Ali kept knocking Rockys toupee off on purpose. Marciano responded by hitting Ali in the solar plexus and putting him down and out - Ali refusing to continue until he got paid more.

5: Ali did load up and drill Marciano to the jaw - it apparently stiffened Marciano up and was a good shot.

6: Marciano started pushing the pace very hard later on and Ali was visibly wincing and tiring from body shots.

7: Ali was seen showing off welts and bruises in a restaurant afterwards.

Marciano was quoted as saying âAli had a very fast left hand, I could barely see it?br />
Ali was quoted as saying : âooo he hit hard - he hit me so hard it shook my kinfolk back in Africa. He used this statement first with Rocky and later on with Shavers.

when asked later who would be his hardest fight, on every occasion he said âRocky Marciano?/div>

Marciano did not put Ali down and out and you know it!
Do stop with this pro Rocky spin!
Neither were body shots allowed, both men agreed to pull their punches and whilst lapses occurred at no time were real punches part of the script and no book I have read on the subject says they were.
I bought the film over 30 years ago and its obvious both guys were not going full out.
Ali did not knock Marciano's toupee off on purpose but ,after Marciano landed a couple of full blooded body shots Ali responded by hitting Rocky with a flurry of jabs with mean intentions behind them.
Ali first used the "my kinfolks in Africa," quote after the first Cooper fight,in1963, 6 years before the computer "fight."
Misinformation piled upon misinformation prompted by hero worship,

[QueensburyRules]

So Marciano took an unprofessional liberty and hit Ali with a full powered body shot,and Ali took a knee.What's your point?

- - His point is Ali took to clowning Rocky be knocking his toupee off,

U still don't understand there are a myriad of stories out there contradicting each other because this is Boxing, the ultimate fuzzy wildcard of history.

However, some reportees have more gravitas as to truth than the mangy other "insiders" merely wanting to spin a story to be interviews for attention.

[Bronson66]

- - His point is Ali took to clowning Rocky be knocking his toupee off,

U still don't understand there are a myriad of stories out there contradicting each other because this is Boxing, the ultimate fuzzy wildcard of history.

However, some reportees have more gravitas as to truth than the mangy other "insiders" merely wanting to spin a story to be interviews for attention.

Can you think of one reason anyone would give the slightest credence to anything that you post?

[QueensburyRules]

Can you think of one reason anyone would give the slightest credence to anything that you post?

- - Y U no name anyone who deny Rocky Courtmartial?

Stoooopid

[Bronson66]

What needs to be noted are a few things about the Rocky va Ali computer fight:

1: it certainly got heated and had to be toned down on numerous occasions.

2: Ali was younger but out of shape and inactive while Marciano was older but trained quite hard for the show. He was reportedly running 10 miles a day and went from 255 to 235 lbs. Ali was 235 as well.

3: they bith did load up and wack eachother for a few reasons - while body shots were allowed at first - Ali doesnât throw many body shots and Marciano does - it favored him a lot and he was hitting Alis arms very hard and damaging them. Ali kept telling rock it was just a sparring session and to tone down the power.

4: Ali kept knocking Rockys toupee off on purpose. Marciano responded by hitting Ali in the solar plexus and putting him down and out - Ali refusing to continue until he got paid more.

5: Ali did load up and drill Marciano to the jaw - it apparently stiffened Marciano up and was a good shot.

6: Marciano started pushing the pace very hard later on and Ali was visibly wincing and tiring from body shots.

7: Ali was seen showing off welts and bruises in a restaurant afterwards.

Marciano was quoted as saying âAli had a very fast left hand, I could barely see it?br />
Ali was quoted as saying : âooo he hit hard - he hit me so hard it shook my kinfolk back in Africa. He used this statement first with Rocky and later on with Shavers.

when asked later who would be his hardest fight, on every occasion he said âRocky Marciano?/div>

Harry Wills opinion of Marciano's skills.

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[billeau2]

while I am a huge Marciano fan I acknowledge his image of being a pleasant hard working family man is purely made up by the media and even his relatives.

Marciano was a thug in his youth, he found himself taking up boxing as a pro age 24 because he failed at every other job he tried. If you couldnâÂÂt keep a steady job at 24 and could only resort to fighting what does that tell you about him? One day he came home and tried to hide the fact that he had seriously hurt someone at the ice rink one day. A large kid much bigger than he and his friends had picked a fight with them and rocky managed to knock the kid unconscious to the point he was twitching. It was then and there Marciano said he knew he had to be careful when hauling off and slugging someone. His entire boxing career sort of devulged into finding ways to get close to you and land that perfect shot. He did this in many ways like baiting - feigning clumsiness - non stop pressure and crouching very low. You couldnâÂÂt block punches because he would punch your arms. So many would simply backpedal or run.

the other thing is while he had a record of something like 9 wins and 4 losses - without any skill and training at all he knocked the majority of his opponentâÂÂs out cold even while weighing 160 lbs. power was on the menu from a very young age.

in retirement Marciano went a bit crazy since he had dedicated 10+ years of his life to spartan living and sacrifice. What this does to your mind and body we can only speculate - but the legionaires after serving their term were entitled to state run brothels on their return to occupy the veterans and keep them from destroying the entire city, which they did sometimes during tribunes. Marciano basically ate and f.*cked himself to death in retirement - he was noted to have broken a pay phone off the wall with a punch for stealing a quarter off of him. Temperamental and restless - not always the most fun guy to hang out with.

the reason I put Marciano on a pedestal among heavies is because its well documented how dedicated and hard the man trained. There is actually no comparison between he and other heavies. HeâÂÂs simply in better condition than all of them. He can outlast them and recover instantly from even the hardest blows. He can punch extremely hard both naturally but also from hard work in the gym that developed his power. When someone goes the distance with him or manages to go a few rounds itâÂÂs because he is also a very short limbed fighter who has to get very close to you to land. His reach is 68 compared to Tysons 72 yet they are the same height.

however the men who did this were very slick and capable of doing this. There are many heavyweights who are not. I believe Marciano would have hurt or knocked the majority of heavyweights out that would try to **** with him or coast on the ropes.

Marciano could sense fatigue and he would hit the gas the second he noticed a fighter trying to catch his breath. This alone would defeat a lot of fighters. You can see in many bouts that appear competitive and they just take a nose dive for no apparent reason - this is because they are exhausted from trying to avoid being Koed. They feel a shot on the arm and it numbs them and they think damn I better not get caught by this guy and the whole plan turns into survive and avoid.

His so called respect" was street cred, mostly from the mob lol. He was treated like royalty and never had to pay a dime for anything. He also had ***ual appetites lol, as you say.

[billeau2]

Lmao... after 13 years out of the ring, if real punches were thrown Ali would have taken Rocky's head off. You're reaching to try and make Ali look bad. It's not working.

Oh he is reaching for something alright... Something with a kick to it so to speak...

[Willie Pep 229]

Harry Wills opinion of Marciano's skills.

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I guess Harry hung out at The Mighty Shop too and doesn't like white men pulling Rocky Marciano out of their ass.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Y U no name anyone who deny Rocky Courtmartial?

Stoooopid

- - SuperDuperDroolingStooooooooopid...