So I watched a UFC fight for the very first time.... Absolutely horrendous

[GGG Gloveking]

hahaha wtf

mcgregor is one of the best 'strikers' in ufc

then he got in the ring with mayweather and showed he couldn't bust a g****. seriously that was some of the most pathetic, weak, femine punches ever thrown in the history of pro fighting

in a street fight 90% of people use their fists, and fists only. and boxers have the upperhand there. boxers would beat the shyt out of mma fighters

Two issues I see here.

1. When did Mayweather become the bar of standard when measuring fighters? I mean Canelo got whitewashed by Floyd, Manny Pacquiao got clowned by Floyd. Of course, Conor got blanked in a boxing match with Floyd.

2. Where did this 90% stat come from? I've been in a lot of fights, and damn near every single one has ended up on the ground. In fact, when the UFC was first starting, one of their sales pitches was "according to the LAPD, 90% of fights end up on the ground." Not sure how accurate that stat is, but I just can't imagine that even a simple majority of fights don't end up on the ground.

[Szef]

Two issues I see here.

1. When did Mayweather become the bar of standard when measuring fighters? I mean Canelo got whitewashed by Floyd, Manny Pacquiao got clowned by Floyd. Of course, Conor got blanked in a boxing match with Floyd.

2. Where did this 90% stat come from? I've been in a lot of fights, and damn near every single one has ended up on the ground. In fact, when the UFC was first starting, one of their sales pitches was "according to the LAPD, 90% of fights end up on the ground." Not sure how accurate that stat is, but I just can't imagine that even a simple majority of fights don't end up on the ground.

i know floyd is floyd, but mcgregor's technique was terrible. there was no force behind those punches. they were pitty pats and the poster i quoted said mcgregor is one of the best strikers and would destroy boxers in a fight

i've been in my share of fights too and yeah people often end up on the ground but they don't start on the ground. that's one thing, the other is most people can't throw a punch properly so obviously not everyone will ko their opponent because they don't how to do it properly so they end up on the ground.

in a fight it's i get to you before you get to me and when you have two guys standing and about to thrown down, the guy with more speed, power and accuracy in their punches has the upperhand and in the boxer vs mms fighter scenario, boxer is that guy . sure a boxer can get caught slippin but in most cases i'd be comfortable to pick the boxer to clock the mma fighter before he attempts one of his take downs or triangles or whatever

[colt1]

Those "entertainers" would beat boxers 9 times out of 10 under any combat sport ruleset that isnt pure boxing. But they arent "real fighters"?

Guys like Adesanya, Aldo, Wonderboy, Conor, Moraes, Walker etc are clearly high level strikers, they would beat boxers more often than not in a pure striking competition. Judging their striking through a boxing-centric lens is just weird, MMA striking is not boxing. Boxers dont have kicks, knees, elbows or a developed clinch game. Plus 4oz gloves, takedowns, no count etc is a game changer. ANYONE can get slept in MMA.

If they so great everything else, why they spend so much time just boxing.
because that's what people wanna see.
If MMA fighters would just rolling on the ground twisting other guys ankles nobody would watch, no matter how effective it's in
"real fight'

When you see Fast knockouts MMA they dont happen because fighters are so good, Fast knockouts happen because fighters are so bad.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Savage and barbaric activity where pretty much anything goes until the opponent taps out. Elbows, knees and headlocks galore.

Two grown men wrestling on the ground. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT SHYT!!!!!!!!

In boxing, you use only your fists. No elbows, knees or taking your opponent to the ground to bail you out. If you aren't skilled enough with your fists, it's going to be a LONG night. If you are hurt, the referee will give you an 8 count. He will ask you if are ok to continue. If you are not ok, he will stop it.

No comparison. Boxing is much more civilized and is the true gentlemen's sport.

it takes a lot to learn ground games. it's not just 2 guys rolling around like you're trying to say here. ground game is pretty much like a defensive fighter in boxing! a boxer who boxes and rarely engage in a brawl. so if you dont like to watch guys rolling around then you should understand when people complain about defensive boxers.

[TMLT87]

hahaha wtf

mcgregor is one of the best 'strikers' in ufc

then he got in the ring with mayweather and showed he couldn't bust a g****. seriously that was some of the most pathetic, weak, femine punches ever thrown in the history of pro fighting

in a street fight 90% of people use their fists, and fists only. and boxers have the upperhand there. boxers would beat the shyt out of mma fighters

90% of regular people use their fists in a street fight because they arent trained and all they know how to do is throw haymakers. It takes serious fanboyism and mental gymnastics to seriously believe a boxer has the advantage over an MMA figher in a fight with zero rules. It makes no sense.

McGregor would have kicked Floyds head off under any other ruleset. Lol @ putting "striker" in quotations like dudes who kick, punch, knee, elbow, clinch arent worthy of the title compared to a dude that competes in what is pretty much fist fencing. If anything "striker" fits MMA/muay thai/kickboxing fighters better. Boxers are boxers, not all round strikers. Theres multiple examples of high profile boxers being unimpressive in other striking arts for that exact reason. When kicks get involved they're a fish out of water. ****, Paulie couldnt beat a 13-15 UFC dropout (who was only ever in the UFC because he was friends with Conor) in a bare knuckle boxing match ffs, literally hands only.

Just go look at the biggest live gate for MMA in the past few years, then go look at boxing's. Besides the ****** Mayweather fight.

Just compare them.

Youre clinging to live gates. I'm not dis*****g them. But look at PPV. Conor/Khabib did as many PPV buys as both Canelo/GGG fights combined. Canelos biggest PPV fight without Floyd is on par with Conors 4th biggest drawing UFC fight.The UFC has a clear edge over boxing on PPV these days, boxing wins out in live gates, tv ratings are basically neck and neck.

[GGG Gloveking]

i know floyd is floyd, but mcgregor's technique was terrible. there was no force behind those punches. they were pitty pats and the poster i quoted said mcgregor is one of the best strikers and would destroy boxers in a fight

i've been in my share of fights too and yeah people often end up on the ground but they don't start on the ground. that's one thing, the other is most people can't throw a punch properly so obviously not everyone will ko their opponent because they don't how to do it properly so they end up on the ground.

in a fight it's i get to you before you get to him and when you have two guys standing and about to thrown down, the guy with the more speed, power and accuracy in their punches has the upperhand and in the boxer vs mms fighter scenario, boxer is that guy . sure a boxer can get caught slippin but in most cases i'd be comfortable to pick the boxer to clock the mma fighter before he attempts one of his take downs or triangles or whatever

I'm betting on the grappler making a successful shoot or takedown before the boxer lands a KO punch. After watching a top 10 IBF Cruiserweight lose to a grappler he outweighed by about 30 lbs, I'm guessing most times the grappler gets in before the boxer gets off.

[TMLT87]

If they so great everything else, why they spend so much time just boxing.
because that's what people wanna see.
If MMA fighters would just rolling on the ground twisting other guys ankles nobody would watch, no matter how effective it's in
"real fight'

When you see Fast knockouts MMA they dont happen because fighters are so good, Fast knockouts happen because fighters are so bad.

I'm not sure what youve been watching but the notion that they just box is false. Are you saying you arent seeing kicks, clinch game, wall wrestling and takedowns in the majority of MMA fights?

You see fast knockouts in MMA because its 4oz gloves with no counts after a knockdown and the ability to use punches, kicks, knees and elbows to KO someone. Simple. I suppose Jarrell Miller (who just over 6 months ago was top 10 ranked and supposed to challenge the then consensus no1 ranked WBA, WBO and IBF HW champ) must be REAL bad then, because not only did he fail to KO a 40+ year old version of this guy in a kickboxing match, he actually lost....










This dude had washed out of the UFC a few years before having been knocked out three times in a row...

[GGG Gloveking]

it takes a lot to learn ground games. it's not just 2 guys rolling around like you're trying to say here. ground game is pretty much like a defensive fighter in boxing! a boxer who boxes and rarely engage in a brawl. so if you dont like to watch guys rolling around then you should understand when people complain about defensive boxers.

This is something I don't get with a lot of us boxing fans. We see technical grappling as "two guys rolling on the floor," but then wonder why people see technical boxing as "two guys beating each other's faces."

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

Boxing has a history and culture, Mixed Martial Arts does not have quite the same depth.

'UFC's culture is what exactly? Boxing is a historical past-time. You only have to look at movies such as 'Far & Away to understand that etc'

Some people may champion Mixed Martial Arts, and talk about street fights 'Boxing was once the worlds biggest sport for a very long time' There is no other combat sport that can claim to of reached the same heights.

And that is because for a very long time in human history, boxing was more than just a sport 'Boxing will out live the UFC & Mixed Martial Arts'.

Boxing will outlive MMA? Can't say that. MMA is a growing sport, providing fans with memorable moments that they'll remember for years to come. That's what keeps the sport alive.

Meanwhile, boxing has gotten such a bad reputation due to the corruptions behind the sport, its big fights rarely happening, and other kind of controversies going on. People are tired of seeing fan favorites such as Pacquiao get robbed in fights against Bradley, Mayweather, and Horn. Or GGG get robbed in his two fights against Canelo. Then there's issue with Terence Crawford being considered one of the top welterweights without actually fighting a top welterweight. And then there's Gervonta Davis, who acts like he's the "top dog" when everybody can see that he's protected from the real top dog of his division, Lomachenko.

I'm not saying MMA will outlive boxing. It's hard to say what's going to happen in the future but compared to MMA, boxing doesn't look that good in its current state.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Boxing will outlive MMA? Can't say that. MMA is a growing sport, providing fans with memorable moments that they'll remember for years to come. That's what keeps the sport alive.

Meanwhile, boxing has gotten such a bad reputation due to the corruptions behind the sport, its big fights rarely happening, and other kind of controversies going on. People are tired of seeing fan favorites such as Pacquiao get robbed in fights against Bradley, Mayweather, and Horn. Or GGG get robbed in his two fights against Canelo. Then there's issue with Terence Crawford being considered one of the top welterweights without actually fighting a top welterweight. And then there's Gervonta Davis, who acts like he's the "top dog" when everybody can see that he's protected from the real top dog of his division, Lomachenko.

I'm not saying MMA will outlive boxing. It's hard to say what's going to happen in the future but compared to MMA, boxing doesn't look that good in its current state.

Boxing will out live all other combat sports, it is more accessible than other combat sports and easier to participate in etc

Plus it is a historic past time in many countries, the sport has a lot of historical depth 'Which Mixed Martial Arts/UFC can never duplicate'.

It does not really matter whether is corrupt, as the sport seems to show a high level of immunity for some unknown reason 'But most combat sports do in that sense'

UFC has only really existed for 20-30 years? Boxing has been around for centuries.