Comments Thread For: Hearn Sounds Off on Luis Ortiz and His Team Over Joshua Talks

[Sosay]

Fans of promoters in here arguing again. I honestly dont care what any promoter or managers say. Did you make the fight? If no, I blame everyone involved. If someone turns down 50 mil, I cant be surprised of anything. Not knocking AJ or Ortiz. I just stream until the best fights are made. Really nothing we can do.

You can make every fight 60-40 to the winner and I wouldnt care as long as they are fighting the best.

[MC Hammer]

Good info, thanks. So much irony that one of his reasons for leaving Top Rank was that he says Miller wouldn't fight him as he didn't want to risk his shot at Joshua....sweet.

A lot of irony has been happening around Miller. I'm not a spiritual man, but Karma definitely has to be real regarding that guy judging by the past couple of weeks.

[davefromvancouv]

So the commissions are being defrauded systematically on a massive scale and they are happy to just do nothing about it?

No. PBC fighters are more than just boxers. They are their own bosses so proceeds, deals and win bonuses that would have gone to the promoter for a boxer's appearance on a network go to the boxer, in addition to their listed purses.

[Sid-Knee]

You need to reread that because NO WHERE does his manager say they got 7-8 mil offer.Only his trainer who says "an opportunity like this to make WHATEVER Eddie was offering you grap it".Sounds to me he had not seen offer and had not talked to promoter/manager about it yet.He then go's on to say "but having said that eddie offering it and then putting it in writing are two different things I personally believe we would have seen an upside down contract just to stall and renegotiate they are a lot of things you can do to contract to not make fight happen"Its REAL clear he had not seen contract or even spoke to their manager/promoter.Now you can twist words and just read the parts you like but its still JUST Eddie word which means NOTHING because like all promoters he is a known liar and also has dog in fight.

Eddie is a known liar? Then give me all these "Lies"?

Don't avoid this like so many of you do.

[Scipio2009]

$6M ignored, $7M derided as a "lowball".

And Finkel states on TBV that Joshua-Wilder won't happen this year, maybe 2020.

There can't be anyone left in doubt now? PBC are ducking fights to protect their fighters and keep things in house. Fury has wedged himself onto ESPN and will fight twice this year against no marks.

Team Joshua has continually made offers to all of the top fighters. Real credible offers.

No more doubt.

Jarrell Miller got $6.5m; if you could name his highest profile fight or the best opponent that he's faced, let the heavens bless you.

If the $6.5m to Miller was legit, Jimenez may have been greedy, why the **** do you start the bid for Luis Ortiz at less than that?

Shorted the offers to Wilder and Fury, played johnny-come-lately on what would've been fair offers after Wilder and Fury moved on, again started with the bull**** offers when Wilder-Fury 2 fell through, shorted the offer to their own guy for the fight that would've saved the Wembley event, paid $6.5m for a New York fight with a heavyweight in Miller who has about as much a profile as "Let's go champ!" Shannon Briggs, and then immediately shorted the offers when Miller pissed hot a bunch of times. Lol.

In deal after deal, regardless of all of the talk from his fans, Joshua can't seem to find the money for the legit fights, yet seems to always come up with the money needed to make less legit fights.

[Scipio2009]

Doesn't work like that Dave from Vancouver. Never has, never will. Ortiz wasn't in a position to demand anything. Anything over a few mil is fair to someone that has never made a mil for a fight.

Anthony Joshua is sitting with a US debut that no one really gives a **** about, and no one really still gives a **** about.

NY radio isn't pushing the fight locally, none of the TV networks (ESPN, FS1, maybe the Sky Sports simulcast on NBCSN but that's it), and no one is really excited for the US debut of this supposed superstar.

Luis Ortiz changes that immediately.

Yes, Luis Ortiz was worth more than was on offer, and his camp knew it.

[Scipio2009]

Floyd was making 40-50M and paying his opponents like 2M or less ....... no one cared because he’s American. I guess because Joshua is British he’s expected to give Wilder and Ortiz charity.

Lol. How many fights were there where Floyd earned over $40m? You look down his run and you've literally got 4 of 50 fights at that level.

The moment Floyd got control of his own career, he picked the fights that needed to be made, negotiated hard for every single deal point, but still ended up paying whatever needed to be paid to close the fight.

Baldomir got almost $2m (when Floyd got $8m), Mosley got almost $7m, basically 50/50 with Ricky Hatton, JMM got almost $4m, $8m to Cotto (and $2m to Alvarez on the undercard), $3m to Robert Guerrero, $10m+ to Alvarez, $3m to Maidana on the rematch, 40% to Pacquiao, $4m to Berto, and an alleged $100m to McGregor.

Floyd is the golden ticket, and Floyd is going to make his money anyway, but Floyd made sure to seal the fight.

Anthony Joshua can't seal the deal; the man is sitting on a $40m-$45m potential pot in the UK, yet he's bickering over nickels.

[AdonisCreed]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion and I respect it. But certainly you can understand a fighter preferring a full 10 week camp to maximize their chance of finally winning a proper world championship instead of a 4 week camp where they'd be going in at a huge disadvantage. Especially if the money is equal.

Cool. And yes I see your point. You definitely want to be well prepared going into a title shot I agree with you on that. I'm just saying sometimes you have to take advantage of an opportunity. Especially in boxing with all the politics and network issues.

[Scipio2009]

If you are fighting for 100k - 300K and somebody offers you $2million, you would be very ill-advised if you turned it down because your opponent is getting $40million, whether he fights you or not.

That really would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

It's not though; Ortiz could fight whomever he wants this summer, but if the Wilder-Joshua talks fail, Luis Ortiz is the odds on choice to fight Wilder in the second half of the of the year, on PPV.

Options are a beautiful thing

[giant_king]

At James hunt breezy is occupied right now he's a mandatory right now.and know matter how much we hate it champions have to fight mandos but I guess I kinda get your point lol