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    #81
    Originally posted by IMDAZED View Post
    What's strange is that...there is no guarantee of a Cotto or Canelo fight or anything close to it. In fact, sounds like they don't want the fight at all. So this talk of unification is strange to me. You aren't fighting Jacobs or Quillin either.

    Ahh well. Like I said, I'll be happy if he gets the Canelo-Cotto winner. But if he's still fighting this crap level of opposition next year, I guarantee they aren't going to be able to fool anyone other than the butthurt Pacquiao fans on here.
    Probably more optimism being that Golovkin is mandatory to the WBC belt, which has been very public. Of course, that alone shouldn't mean the WBC will actually follow their own rules, as they rarely do and constantly invent new ones whenever they see fit, however since his mandatory position and the "Golvokin is next" statements by the WBC has been so public, it seems that K2 could actually take legal action against the WBC if they tried to delay the fight again. Further, if they received any kind of written documentation from the WBC regarding his mandatory status, that could be enough to actually force the fight, as the WBC would likely try to avoid a lawsuit that they could lose (which they have multiple times in the past, most recently with Rubio).

    The other part is just wanting to see "what's right". Unifying all the belts is really important to me. It was when Hopkins did it and it's something I want to see in every weight class whenever possible. It's also about letting Gennady finally get a shot to accomplish something he's been working so hard at for many years. He's been chasing unification fights and the lineal title for so long, with so many circumstances of other guys not willing to fight, politics getting in the way or whatever the case, it would be nice to finally see him accomplish his goal, or at the very least just get the opportunity.

    Finally, the sooner this happens, the sooner fights at 168 can happen. I don't think he's leaving the division until he's accomplished that or at least exhausted all possibilities (some things he may not be able to control (Cotto beating Canelo and then retiring from the sport, for example)).

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      #82
      Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
      The generalization in your 1st paragraph that all non white(black) fighters have the same "slick" style kills that point.

      "Harp on the fact"-that's what you and others did from 2007-2015. If you feel this is such a negative practice, why didn't you let go of it?

      To say you would like GGG if he were any nationality after generalizing all non white (black) fighters have a "slick" style makes me doubt the sincerity of your post.

      Again, the race card again which you so often complain about now you are playing. Find any of my criticisms of GGG and show how they are racially motivated.

      My problem with any accolades GGG gets is relative to his resume, nt his skin color. Since you and those that like him have no answer for his weak resume, you deflect to race. Shameful.

      Compare what you see on GGG's social media accounts with that of any prominent black boxer. Now tell me which suggest the hate is racial.

      I like many black fighters. I just prefer to watch a those who pose a style that I find entertaining. The fact is, many black fighters tend to implement a slick/defensive, safety first style. BHOP has gotten much flak for his "boring" style but I enjoy watching him. Especially as he's gotten older. His fights with Pascal were very entertaining.

      Tyson was and is still probably my favorite fighter of all time. He's black.

      Hagler, Hearns, Leonard are amongst my favorite fighters off all time. All black. In regards to Leonard, although he could outslick you, you can also out**** you!

      RJJ was another favorite of mine. I gave him some flak for some of his weak opposition during his prime but he never put me to sleep while watching him. He came to take his opponents out. Not dance, move, and tap his way to a decison. He was black.

      I enjoy watching Wilder fight. He's black, a PBC fighter, and managed by Haymon. I still tune in because I like his style and have high hopes for him.


      Now because I criticized Floyd for many years doesnt mean I have a personal vendetta against him. I just wasnt fond of his lackluster style ever since moving up to 147, nor was I a fan of his so-called "persona" to sell tickets/ppv's. It has nothing to do with him being black. Had Floyd been asian/white/latin, I would still feel the same towards him.

      For the record I'm PR and I have went on the record many times to call out Miguel "the diva" Cotto.

      You on the other hand have shown that you are anti white, anti HBO, anti Arum, etc... It's no secret though. Everyone here can see right thru you.
      Last edited by Deevel916; 10-13-2015, 01:37 PM.

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        #83
        Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View Post
        Canelo's team seem more interested in moving him up slowly which is understandable, Cotto might move back down to LMW or for all we know, this Cotto-Canelo fight might turn into a series. So much that needs to be considered.

        I'm getting sick of the Lemieux hype for starters, you would think no ones watched a fight of his.
        Worst PPV matchup in years, no question. Someone mentioned that HBO did it because they couldn't fund the fight otherwise. Whatever. Still a terrible match.

        I don't see GGG-Canelo happening anytime either. And I don't see Cotto in a rush to do it...unless he bends Golovkin over the negotiating table as far as he goes.

        But they're being smart, talking up these fights while dipping in our back pocket for opponents like Lemieux and Monroe. We've seen this story before, my friend.

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          #84
          Originally posted by ИATAS View Post
          Probably more optimism being that Golovkin is mandatory to the WBC belt, which has been very public. Of course, that alone shouldn't mean the WBC will actually follow their own rules, as they rarely do and constantly invent new ones whenever they see fit, however since his mandatory position and the "Golvokin is next" statements by the WBC has been so public, it seems that K2 could actually take legal action against the WBC if they tried to delay the fight again. Further, if they received any kind of written documentation from the WBC regarding his mandatory status, that could be enough to actually force the fight, as the WBC would likely try to avoid a lawsuit that they could lose (which they have multiple times in the past, most recently with Rubio).

          The other part is just wanting to see "what's right". Unifying all the belts is really important to me. It was when Hopkins did it and it's something I want to see in every weight class whenever possible. It's also about letting Gennady finally get a shot to accomplish something he's been working so hard at for many years. He's been chasing unification fights and the lineal title for so long, with so many circumstances of other guys not willing to fight, politics getting in the way or whatever the case, it would be nice to finally see him accomplish his goal, or at the very least just get the opportunity.

          Finally, the sooner this happens, the sooner fights at 168 can happen. I don't think he's leaving the division until he's accomplished that or at least exhausted all possibilities (some things he may not be able to control (Cotto beating Canelo and then retiring from the sport, for example)).
          You and I both know mandatory means squat.

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            #85
            Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
            which is why many of us wanted to see him fight Ward at 168 because it wouldn't be as easy as his 160 fights and would force him to make adjustments and likely fight differently to win.
            I'd like to see him fight Ward at 168 as well, but after he faces the winner of Cotto/Canelo and although its a long shot due to politics, the winner of Quillin/Jacobs.

            Lets first see if Ward can even make 168. Many of his fans say that he can but my take is, if he could've he would've instead of taking fights at 172 instead.

            I'd just wish he'd pick a weight class. Is he aiming for LHW to take on Kovalev? If so then cool. If not then he should remain at SMW, beat some noteworthy opponents, then aim for a megafight with GGG.

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              #86
              Originally posted by Deevel916 View Post
              I like many black fighters. I just prefer to watch a those who pose a style that I find entertaining. The fact is, many black fighters tend to implement a slick/defensive, safety first style. BHOP has gotten much flak for his "boring" style but I enjoy watching him. Especially as he's gotten older. His fights with Pascal were very entertaining.

              Tyson was and is still probably my favorite fighter of all time. He's black.

              Hagler, Hearns, Leonard are amongst my favorite fighters off all time. All black. In regards to Leonard, although he could outslick you, you can also out**** you!

              RJJ was another favorite of mine. I gave him some flak for some of his weak opposition during his prime but he never put me to sleep while watching him. He came to take his opponents out. Not dance, move, and tap his way to a decison. He was black.


              Now because I criticized Floyd for many years doesnt mean I have a personal vendetta against him. I just wasnt fond of his lackluster style ever since moving up to 147, nor was I a fan of his so-called "persona" to sell tickets/ppv's. It has nothing to do with him being black. Had Floyd been asian/white/latin, I would still feel the same towards him.

              For the record I'm PR and I have went on the record many times to call out Miguel "the diva" Cotto.

              You on the other hand have shown that you are anti white, anti HBO, anti Arum, etc... It's no secret though. Everyone here can see right thru you.
              The "my best friend is black" card doesn't prove anything. The question isn't which fighters you liked in the past. The question is why do you think criticism of black fighters isn't racial but of GGG it is?

              The social media posts of broner/Floyd/ward v ggg/kov/loma easily refutes your post.

              Yes, I have criticized Arum and HBO. I have also praised them, a fact you left out. You, freedom, Guerrero's Dad, Hectari and a few others say that when you have no facts to refute what is raised. That's what you guys do. I challenge you to post any criticism I've made of GGG and see if it is racial or not.

              You are so against the "race card" yet you use it with impunity.

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                #87
                Originally posted by Deevel916 View Post
                I'd like to see him fight Ward at 168 as well, but after he faces the winner of Cotto/Canelo and although its a long shot due to politics, the winner of Quillin/Jacobs.

                Lets first see if Ward can even make 168. Many of his fans say that he can but my take is, if he could've he would've instead of taking fights at 172 instead.

                I'd just wish he'd pick a weight class. Is he aiming for LHW to take on Kovalev? If so then cool. If not then he should remain at SMW, beat some noteworthy opponents, then aim for a megafight with GGG.
                Look dude, GGG should have tried to fight Ward at 168 instead of chavez or froch. He couldn't because Ward was out with his contract.

                Once he came back, seeing as GGG was still in the same position he and his fans complained about, he should have tried to fight Ward at 168. He didn't.

                As of this email, GGG has not beaten one single opponent that at the time rated above a B-/c+ level.

                We get it-you like seeing GGG beat up guys that can't beat him and have lowered the bar so low for him that if he had only a 1 inch vertical he could hurdle it.

                I believe the term you used to use was "dare to be great." I wish you would ask GGG to do that or judge his resume by that standard like you do other fighters.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by _Maxi View Post
                  I bet you that all the GGG haters will ignore this post.
                  Agreed. There should be a record of the "blatant and open" ducking on boxrec or some other site, and the boxers with more and bigger names that ducked him should be p4p#1, GGG will take that spot easily.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                    The "my best friend is black" card doesn't prove anything. The question isn't which fighters you liked in the past. The question is why do you think criticism of black fighters isn't racial but of GGG it is?

                    The social media posts of broner/Floyd/ward v ggg/kov/loma easily refutes your post.

                    Yes, I have criticized Arum and HBO. I have also praised them, a fact you left out. You, freedom, Guerrero's Dad, Hectari and a few others say that when you have no facts to refute what is raised. That's what you guys do. I challenge you to post any criticism I've made of GGG and see if it is racial or not.

                    You are so against the "race card" yet you use it with impunity.
                    Do you really have to ask why guys like Broner and Floyd receive so much hate? Let me fill you in on something. A douche is a douche regardless of race. Aside from maybe appreciating their skills, there's not much to like about either guy. Its like saying "you must be racist if you dislike Angel Garcia". No, it has nothing to do with his race. Fact is he's just an annoying loudmouth.

                    Ward doesnt get the hate that you claim he does. Sure many people criticized his holding/headbutting style in the past, but they never attacked his character. There's actually nothing to dislike about the guy. He's humble and he's a great fighter.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by IMDAZED View Post
                      You and I both know mandatory means squat.
                      I addressed that in my post.

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