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Originally posted by Deevel916 View PostDo you really have to ask why guys like Broner and Floyd receive so much hate? Let me fill you in on something. A douche is a douche regardless of race. Aside from maybe appreciating their skills, there's not much to like about either guy. Its like saying "you must be racist if you dislike Angel Garcia". No, it has nothing to do with his race. Fact is he's just an annoying loudmouth.
Ward doesnt get the hate that you claim he does. Sure many people criticized his holding/headbutting style in the past, but they never attacked his character. There's actually nothing to dislike about the guy. He's humble and he's a great fighter.
A crap resume is a crap resume regardless of race and how much you like GGG.
Why are ward , wilder and Haymon called the same things as Floyd and Broner?
I've asked you this before and you always avoid it.
The point is GGG gets criticized for the lack of quality opposition and the fact he didn't go to 168 for a ward fight like he planned to do for froch or chavez.
His skin color has no bearing. That you suggest people only mention it because of his skin color wreaks of hypocricy since this is the same stuff you and others used , as I said from 2007-2015.Last edited by The Big Dunn; 10-13-2015, 02:17 PM.
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Originally posted by IMDAZED View PostWorst PPV matchup in years, no question. Someone mentioned that HBO did it because they couldn't fund the fight otherwise. Whatever. Still a terrible match.
I don't see GGG-Canelo happening anytime either. And I don't see Cotto in a rush to do it...unless he bends Golovkin over the negotiating table as far as he goes.
But they're being smart, talking up these fights while dipping in our back pocket for opponents like Lemieux and Monroe. We've seen this story before, my friend.
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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View PostShifting and deflecting. The social media posts prove my point-hating them is one thing, expressing that hate in racial tones is something different. I hate ODH with a passion, all my hate is about boxing, drugs, cross dressing, and lingerie, not his being Mexican or Mexican -American. see the difference?
A crap resume is a crap resume regardless of race and how much you like GGG.
Why are ward , wilder and Haymon called the same things as Floyd and Broner?
I've asked you this before and you always avoid it.
There's much to criticize Haymon over but I wont get into it with you as it will be a never ending discussion given the fact that he's your "god".
As for Wilder, the only hate/criticism I see being thrown his way is the same thing you criticize GGG for and that's his resume/level of opposition. Personally I like Wilder. I've even defended him when he said he's going to take another fight while Povetkin has his November matchup.
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Originally posted by IMDAZED View PostBut your post was addressed to me. Nothing suggests that Canelo will fight GGG next. And Cotto has been lukewarm at best. I could give a rat's ass about Lemieux. Or Quillin or Jacobs. All mediocre fights. It's not even comparable to the Hopkins situation when he was at MW. So I'll just wait and see what GGG does. But no, it wouldn't be surprise me if he doesn't fight Cotto/Canelo, remains at 160 and faces another suspect opponent on PPV.
-Hopkins spent years with a single belt, defending it against the best opponents available while being completely ignored by other title holders until the age of 36 when he finally got his first unification fight against Trinidad. There were those that said Hopkins should just move up in weight at the time as well, I remember it. On a smaller scale of course since Hopkins wasn't a star yet.
Sounds a lot like GGG's situation. Neither era's were loaded with talent but both stayed patient, which eventually paid off with big fights. Both era's had a couple of big stars at or below MW (Oscar and Tito, Canelo and Cotto, Mexican and Puerto Rican). While I agree Cotto won't fight him, I do believe Canelo will. Question is when.Last edited by ИATAS; 10-13-2015, 03:44 PM.
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Originally posted by ИATAS View PostIt's a lot like Hopkins situation, minus the MW tourney Don King put together.
-Hopkins spent years with a single belt, defending it against the best opponents available while being completely ignored by other title holders until the age of 26 when he finally got his first unification fight against Trinidad. There were those that said Hopkins should just move up in weight at the time as well, I remember it. On a smaller scale of course since Hopkins wasn't a star yet.
Sounds a lot like GGG's situation. Neither era's were loaded with talent but both stayed patient, which eventually paid off with big fights. Both era's had a couple of big stars at or below MW (Oscar and Tito, Canelo and Cotto, Mexican and Puerto Rican). While I agree Cotto won't fight him, I do believe Canelo will. Question is when.
2. Hopkins was hated by all promoters and networks, thus had absolutely NO bargaining power against anyone.
3. There were no fighters at 168 in the year 2000, for instance, that would warrant a move up. No prestige, no legacy, nothing. Hopkins had no choice.
4. Trinidad was a heavy favorite over Hopkins. Different perception.
Imagine Hopkins fighting Keith Holmes on PPV. Goodness. Actually, my bad, Keith Holmes. You beat Richie Woodhall among others. Comparing you to Lemieux is a dead slap in your face.
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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
My problem with any accolades GGG gets is relative to his resume, nt his skin color. Since you and those that like him have no answer for his weak resume, you deflect to race. Shameful.
Compare what you see on GGG's social media accounts with that of any prominent black boxer. Now tell me which suggest the hate is racial.
As about GGG's "resume", read this one again:
Originally posted by rajaomairExactly, here are the 11 boxers that ducked/ducking GGG
1---Felix sturm - wouldn't fight him for over 2 years when GGG was mandatory.
2---Peter quillin - said he will only fight for the may-pac kind of money, lol
3---Sergio martinez - "His promoter said that "no way I am putting him with this monster"
4---Hassaan ndam njikam -When Hassaan was WBO champ, he was ordered to a purse bid to face Golovkin no less than two times and he was a no show each time.
5---Miguel cotto - didn't want to fight him despite being mandatory.
6---Julio cesar chavez jr - Turned down 12mil offer by TR
7---Saul alvarez - Thinks that he is fighting at the weight-class of 155, as there is no such thing as a "155 weight-class" ,he is pretending to be not in the MW division because of GGG.There are 17 divisions just pick one, if you can't make 154 then you are a MW, simple.
8---Carl froch - After calling GGG out then when GGG accepted ,he backed down and now he is retired after making all the fuss, GGG was calling him for more than a year so no excuses for "retiring".
9---Andrea Ward (who GGG called since 2012 and who remembered only this spring ) [Ward] was willing to goto 160 for Floyd but when GGG said 164, Ward ducked.+ he was fine when Dawson came down a whole division for him but wont move half a division for GGG, smh
10---Sebastian Sylvester - When Sylvester was IBF champ, he ducked GGG blatantly
11---Darren Barker - When Barker defeated Geale to become IBF champ, his promoter openly said that Barker will fight any1 except GGGLast edited by MDPopescu; 10-13-2015, 03:52 PM.
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I have been getting the feeling the only reason Alvarez hasn't just moved straight to 160 already is because of Golovkin.
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Originally posted by MDPopescu View PostFirst: Golovkin isn't "white" pure breed; he's half yellow; as Ward is half Irish...
As about GGG's "resume", read this one again:
Add Canelo Alvarez to this list. Canelo is fighting at 155 for two years now, thus refusing to act like the true "middleweight" he really is.
Had he tried to fight Ward at the same weight he did froch or chavez, 168, then you and the poster would have a valid argument.
Bottom line is he is being judged based on the fact he's fighting Lemuiex at 160 Saturday instead of Ward at 168.
Dare to be great I believe is the term.
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