Comments Thread For: Cotto: I Have Nothing To Prove To Canelo or Golovkin

[aboutfkntime]

Like I said, why Lara if there is Froch. Froch > Lara.

And after that, because Golovkin has no problem fighting at 168, he can fight Andre Ward, right?

And, who would win that fight bro ?

[aboutfkntime]

Already gave the list. Make sure you read next it time.

Oh yeah.

Should Cotto vacate the belts or fight Golovkin?

He should fight Mayweather in Sep, then Canelo next year, and then retire.

Hypekin can take his own path without cherry-picking smaller fighters.

[aboutfkntime]

Belts are worthless, Klitschko, Lara.

Really, then it appears that you just did a massive flip-flop

Tell me is Lara currently fighting at 160 and does he have a belt?

[icha]

Wow! 300+ pages for one simple comment, we need to chill out, all this can go to the drain with one punch from geale(hope not)...

[aboutfkntime]

Catchweights are shht, and should be completely abolished !

But.....

For some inexplicable reason they are accepted by the majority of casual fans.

Really ?

And, Golovkin will drop to 154 for Mayweather, right ?

I'm sure everybody can see where I'm going with this

Fcuk it, I will do it.....
I will suddenly drop my standards, to suit my guy, like every other cvnt does.

Fcuk the sport, and fcuk fairplay, you ****s accept catchweights when it suits you.....

So, Golovkin will drop to 154 for Mayweather, right ?

Cotto is not a genuine middleweight, so fight him at 154 Hypekin, you wanted a cheap payday, now you can work for it instead of fighting a made-to-order opponent that you can bully.

NOPE ! Not 156, or 158.... 154 !

That seems totally fair to me at this point in time

1) Cotto is not a genuine middleweight
2) Golovkin will drop to 154 for Mayweather
3) Apparently catchweights are ok, right ?

[kafkod]

Well, earlier you tried to make out like you were some type of expert on weight, and that I was just a casual fan who knew nothing, so lets clear a few things up.....

1) that fight was not a catchweight

2) that fight was an attempted setup by Hoya that backfired

kafkod, why did the weight backfire on Hoya ?

Dude, weight fluctuation/manipulation, is extremely hard on the body, and can dramatically affect your career...... you stated that you were up with the play earlier, so I am surprised that you arent aware of that.

The example you provided, is absolute proof that fighters should stick to their optimum fighting weight.

Horrible example to justify weight fluctuation/manipulation.

The same parallel applied to Dawson at 168.

Neither, were catchweights..... but both fit the bill in terms of weight fluctuation/manipulation.

I dont think that you are up with the play on this subject, but props for keeping it real about Hoya.

This is my take.....

Catchweights are completely unnecessary, and should be abolished.

There are only two reasons to demand a catchweight.....

1) you are not good enough to compete against your opponent because of size disparity

2) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage

There is no other reason.

Neither reason is acceptable, especially considering the following.....

1) there are 17 divisions today, more than enough for fighters to settle on an optimim weight.... how the hell did guys get on back when there were only 8 divisions..... Armstrong is a fkn legend

2) there are plenty of appropriate opponents that make the fight more meaningful

3) Man-up, and fight the guy at the divisional limit, plenty of great fighters won being the smaller guy

A catchweight automatically becomes an exhibition match, and should not be taken too seriously at all.

I fully believe that I have a better understanding/feel about weight when it comes to boxing today than you do, just saying.....

I definitely DO NOT support the Geale catchweight, or any other catchweight.

One other thing.....

You mentioned Kovalev.

Now, not necessarily referring to you here, just something I have noticed.....

There are currently 3 Russians (eastern block, whatever) making waves in this sport..... the very best of them, just so happens to be the least popular.

That is funny as hell to me.

Casual fans get drunk on power ROOOOOOARRRRRRRRRR

Couple of points - first, it you who brought Manny/Oscar into a discussion about CWs, not me. I assumed you did that because the fight was made at WW, with Manny moving up and Oscar draining himself to come down. I wasn't going to split hairs by arguing that it was an intermediate weight fight, rather than an actual CW.

Second point - you are actually arguing against your original point in this post. You started out by saying that if Cotto beat Geale at a CW that would be the equivalent of GGG beating him at 160, which is what I objected to.

Now you are saying this: "A catchweight automatically becomes an exhibition match, and should not be taken too seriously at all."

Which is the same point I made, and you objected to, when we started this discussion.

I do like Lomachenko a lot too. But he isn't the No1 fighter in his division and being denied a shot at the lineal title because the champ refuses to fight him, like GGG and Kovalev.

[Dinamita 03]

Catchweights are shht, and should be completely abolished !

But.....

For some inexplicable reason they are accepted by the majority of casual fans.

Really ?

And, Golovkin will drop to 154 for Mayweather, right ?

I'm sure everybody can see where I'm going with this

Fcuk it, I will do it.....
I will suddenly drop my standards, to suit my guy, like every other cvnt does.

Fcuk the sport, and fcuk fairplay, you ****s accept catchweights when it suits you.....

So, Golovkin will drop to 154 for Mayweather, right ?

Cotto is not a genuine middleweight, so fight him at 154 Hypekin, you wanted a cheap payday, now you can work for it instead of fighting a made-to-order opponent that you can bully.

NOPE ! Not 156, or 158.... 154 !

That seems totally fair to me at this point in time

1) Cotto is not a genuine middleweight
2) Golovkin will drop to 154 for Mayweather
3) Apparently catchweights are ok, right ?

A CW of 154

[aboutfkntime]

Couple of points - first, it you who brought Manny/Oscar into a discussion about CWs, not me. I assumed you did that because the fight was made at WW, with Manny moving up and Oscar draining himself to come down. I wasn't going to split hairs by arguing that it was an intermediate weight fight, rather than an actual CW.

Fair call, for the point of the exercise, and in principle, it is the same thing.

Second point - you are actually arguing against your original point in this post. You started out by saying that if Cotto beat Geale at a CW that would be the equivalent of GGG beating him at 160, which is what I objected to.

Now you are saying this: "A catchweight automatically becomes an exhibition match, and should not be taken too seriously at all."

Which is the same point I made, and you objected to, when we started this discussion.

No, not really..... sort of, but I feel that you are overstating it.

I said this.....

IF that win is held in higher regard, it does not make Golovkins resume that much better than Cotto's at 160

So, better..... just not that much better.

And.....

OK, fine..... so the Geale win is better for Golovkin - which I have already agreed anyway - so, what does that mean ?

But here is the reason, and the real point, which has been completely ignored/missed.....

Hypekin is regarded as a killer, and has 9 years at 160 under his belt.

Not only is Cotto not a killer, he is not even a middleweight..... so the fact that you are quibbling over a catchweight, instead of giving me a HUGE list of superior names that Hypekin has beaten..... is pathetic, and tells the whole story.

My point is, the issue is not the catchweight itself, the issue is that you are I were arguing over a catchweight..... instead of you giving me a LARGE list of names from Golovkins resume..... considering that he is a genuine middleweight, a supposed killer, and has been campaigning at 160 for 9 years.

Kinda like this..... really, thats all you got? So, your guy has been at 160 for a decade, my guy has been there for 5 minutes..... and yet instead of you providing me with a huge list of wins that exceed Cottos, you have to resort to quibbling over a catchweight.

It wasnt the catchweight itself, it was the fact that according to you the catchweight appeared to be the only thing separating a supposed killer from a complete pretender.

Look I accept your point, no problem, I will not flip-flop on anything, let alone catchweights, I do stand by my earlier comment that they should not be taken too seriously..... but neither should Geale at 160 tbh..... my point is that Golovkin barely has a resume..... so we should not spend too much time discussing it.

There has to be more than just a catchweight separating a killer from a pretender, thats all.

Also, my reasoning behind abolishing catchweights, aside from them being completely unnecessary..... is that you will NEVER be able to say how much the weight affected Geale, or anybody else.... leaving nothing but conjecture, so whats the fkn point.

I do like Lomachenko a lot too. But he isn't the No1 fighter in his division and being denied a shot at the lineal title because the champ refuses to fight him, like GGG and Kovalev.

Who cares, he is simply a much better fighter then the other two.

Casual fans - not referring to you, just using your example - love dat power.

[aboutfkntime]

A CW of 154

It is a blatant weight manipulation, call it what you like bro

[Dinamita 03]

It is a blatant weight manipulation, call it what you like bro

Like most people I call it an actual weight class.