Comments Thread For: The Big Lie

[Robbie Barrett]

every human being has a different threshold of pain, that said, knowing he was diagnosed 3 weeks before the fight with a severe tear, and knowing too that he didnt use his right hand much in sparring to prevent it from aggravating. It tells us that it was bad.

Pac flurried in the fourth, and if you noticed when he got Floyd pinned down at the ropes he flurried with so many nice combos and then he suddenly uncharacteristically stopped firing and drew floyd to go the center of the ring.

That sequence of flurries started and aggravated the tear, and as a fighter he shouldnt show to his opponent that he was hurt, coz if he did, like a wild animal in the jungle, a predator will know when he has a wounded prey in the midst. Pac, didnt show it, as boxers should not show pain in a dog fight.

Pac was nursing it through 12 rounds. With one effective hand he was amazing.

Nobody said he was diagnosed with a severe tear before the fight, only after it was examined again after the fight. In fact the doctors told him to rest it and it would heal itself points to it not being severe before.

[twosweethooks]

where did I say the surgery was fake? I said it was unnecessary because I think the "injury" is a lie.

As for video evidence, I didn't see video of either Manny (rios, Bradley w/VADA) or Floyd (many w/USADA) taking tests yet I believe both did. You didn't see any video of Manny testing for those fights either, yet you believe he did.

If you are still upset Manny lost, you should get over it already.

Your true colors came out when you excoriated Pac exclaiming his injury was not real. You try to talk a good game but hidden are piles of s###, that came to the surface. You try to act like a knowledgeable boxing fan but you are just one of JOY's boys.

[Robbie Barrett]

Pacquiao's peers are all coming out laughing at the guys excuses. He's the pathetic little clown in the boxing world right now and rightfully so. Mayweather the best of the era.

[The Big Dunn]

Your true colors came out when you excoriated Pac exclaiming his injury was not real. You try to talk a good game but hidden are piles of s###, that came to the surface. You try to act like a knowledgeable boxing fan but you are just one of JOY's boys.

[/QUOTE]

video taken before the fight. sure don't look hurt.

don't be mad at me that everything I ever said about Manny came to fruition. He is who he is-you just refused to see it because you are a huge fan.

You will pay to see a rematch because Bob and Manny know that you are as passionate as you are gullible and ******.

[Spoon23]

Nobody said he was diagnosed with a severe tear before the fight, only after it was examined again after the fight. In fact the doctors told him to rest it and it would heal itself points to it not being severe before.

yes he did. But It's detailed in another article, but in this article he went to the hospital that he was diagnosed at. It's in this article in which was the name of the Hospital he checked in. Obviously you didnt read the full story lol

[Robbie Barrett]

yes he did. But It's detailed in another article, but in this article he went to the hospital that he was diagnosed at. It's in this article in which was the name of the Hospital he checked in. Obviously you didnt read the full story lol

He had a severe tear but was sparring a week later according to Arum. Yeah right.....

[Zen_Fighter]

I tried to post this earlier, but I think my post was deleted because I didn't put it the post May/Pac thread. I will try to summarize sentiments...

Try to view this event in the context of other sports. There has been talk of how the NFL mandates injury reports, and maybe boxing should as well. Not sure of that idea. However, given that Manny was injured (how severe prior to the fight is clearly subject to debate), it is valid to bring up the point that it potentially impacted the outcome of the fight. Does this mean Manny could win? I don't know the answer to that. Anyone who believes it was a not issue is fooling themselves. What if a star in any sport has a significant injury in a major game. Clearly the outcome has the potential to be different if the injury is not present. This is not the same as the outcome WOULD be different. If you love sports you want the best of both teams or athletes at the time of competition.
Manny was injured. Manny was not hurt. As my old wrestling coach would say there is a difference between being hurt and being injured. It makes sense to not disclose the injury. Was it the right choice? Put yourself in his shoes... what is your call?

[Spoon23]

I know you guys are in shock with the truth.

Pac was now proven injured and it has now rocked you Floyd fanatics to your core.

I know you guys are at this point in-denial stage but soon it will begin to sink in.. That Floyd had a hard time with a one armed man.

Heck we can even say Floyd won against a one armed man in a close fight. Still which ever way you guys put it.. It just doesn't sound pretty. Floyd's win sounds embarrassing actually, it's even better to just be the guy who made it a fight and pushed on offense with one arm against a taller guy who ran for 12 rounds lol

I rather pick that guy than saying I won a close fight with a one armed man.

[Spoon23]

I tried to post this earlier, but I think my post was deleted because I didn't put it the post May/Pac thread. I will try to summarize sentiments...

Try to view this event in the context of other sports. There has been talk of how the NFL mandates injury reports, and maybe boxing should as well. Not sure of that idea. However, given that Manny was injured (how severe prior to the fight is clearly subject to debate), it is valid to bring up the point that it potentially impacted the outcome of the fight. Does this mean Manny could win? I don't know the answer to that. Anyone who believes it was a not issue is fooling themselves. What if a star in any sport has a significant injury in a major game. Clearly the outcome has the potential to be different if the injury is not present. This is not the same as the outcome WOULD be different. If you love sports you want the best of both teams or athletes at the time of competition.
Manny was injured. Manny was not hurt. As my old wrestling coach would say there is a difference between being hurt and being injured. It makes sense to not disclose the injury. Was it the right choice? Put yourself in his shoes... what is your call?

excellent post.

As a fighter, you don't show your hurt. That's the rules of fighting. Even if your hurt, you don't show weakness, coz if you do, you get gobbled and eaten like a shark in a tank.

[Merciless1]

"The questionnaire specifically asked, ""Have you had any injuries to your shoulders, elbows, or hands that needed evaluation or examination? If yes, explain."" Pacquiao (or Koncz) answered ""no."" At the bottom of the page the questionnaire states, ""I swear under penalty of perjury, that the above information is true and correct to the best of my knowledge."" There are two signatures (presumably those of Pacquiao and Koncz)."

Either you keep your mouth shut about the injury & take the loss no excuses, say you injured it during the fight if you feel it hindered you, or you do everything you can to try to make everyone understand that shit happens & you simply are nowhere near your best. Hell everyone had already been waiting forever & lots never even thought it would happen in the first place. Now what we get is a fighter that is losing credit for the most important win of his career because his opponent & his team screwed up.

I'm no Pac hater, or "Flomo" like some people might think. I've always billed this fight as best O vs best D & really never cared what the outcome other than me being right about the winner, but other than that may the best man win. So close to all this being over & done with & then bam, you get hit with the bullshit stick.