Comments Thread For: The Big Lie

[FightTalent]

So no one is gonna bring up how floyd's camp wanted a "retroactive the****utic use exemption" and Pac's team told them to **** off

This is all a moot point cuz even with one arm, Pacquiao did enough to win

They gave Pac an out just in case he was on PEDs. He could disclose and no harm no foul. Since Pac felt nothing would be discovered they scoffed at this.

[The Big Dunn]

I think you are accepting as factual claims that are made that are unlikely to be and using them to cast doubt on far more credible claims. You think Pacquiao's surgery was fake in some way? If you do then this is crazy, it really is. Pacquiao shouldn't have went through with the fight, he deserves a ****load of criticism for it but that is where the criticism should be made not these silly conspiracy theories.

I noticed you didn't answer the questions I asked. You also avoided the points made in the first post. Very telling.

I am not doing that in any way. I never said Manny didn't have surgery, nor that the surgery was fake. why are you avoiding the points made and making up things like this?

I said that he has a documented history of getting unneeded medical procedures arranged by his promoter before, coupled with the things in my first post, make me believe Manny is lying about the injury.

I am not talking conspiracy theories, I'm talking lying and having TR use its connections to make the lie seem true., something they have done before.

[Spoon23]

I hope Floyd retires. He will never get the credit that he deserves. People want him to lose so badly. People who are intelligent, who saw the fight will try to tell you that Manny fought with one arm. They'd do this with a straight face.

Arum said this guy has had the injury for 7 years. Manny dominated, Hatton, Cotto and how many other guys with this same shoulder. It's amazing.

Floyd should give a young Lion like Thurman a payday and call it a career.

There is no possible scenario that would allow Floyd to receive credit for beating Manny.

Of course we do, there's a paper trail of evidence he was diagnosed with a tear as we now know the hospital he went and who gave him surgery after the fight, which is actually Kobe Bryant's doctor as well.

If you are educated enough you'll know no one in their right mind will commit fraud as a medical practitioner for a sake of a boxer. Doctors profession is a very lucrative and respected job that they won't even dare risk losing it and go to jail for medical malpractice. It is you guys who are dumb enough and who will tell everyone with a straight face that all the facts thrown at you and heard are false. You still couldn't believe Floyd had a hard time with a one armed man.

[Rath]

I do. I take what Hauser says with a pinch of it too. Smells like Team Pacquiao needs to get their story straight.

Wonder if you always want Team Floyd to get their stories straight too?

Level Playing Field, Cleaning up the sport

You want to get the story straight why Team Floyd don't have video evidence of Floyd random drug testing by USADA?

or you want me to take this post with a pinch of salt too?

[Rath]

I don't get these tards. Other than the fact that Manny has no chance to win and never did, they are demanding a rematch between two past it fighters who have strung them out for six years and made over $200 million between the two of them. It's like you guys are happy rewarding bad behavior.

It's like they are screaming "I hate you Floyd. Please take my money again, and again and again"

If you have murican judges

murican ref

murican drug testing agency - USADA

and a very competent murican boxing commission - NSAC

and a guy who does not know his red from his blue

sure Pac does not stand a chance of winning.

[Rath]

I don't believe the injury.

You can't have a torn rotator cuff and punch as hard as Manny did.

Simple and plain, end of.

His crotch was hurting and still is, that much we know.

But torn rotator cuff? With some of the big shots he threw and landed and missed.

And showed NO SIGNS of injury.

Didn't say NOTHING to Roach in the corner.

Roach NEVER asked him about it?

Please.

The gig is up.

Take your millions and your embarrassing loss and chalk it up.

But the constant whining and story changing?

Yea...sure.

This poster don't believe Pac has shoulder injury even with a well documented surgery

But believed Floyd was randomly drug tested by USADA even without any video evidence.

Floyd fan logic at it's best.

[V.WEBB]

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[Rath]

I think you are accepting as factual claims that are made that are unlikely to be and using them to cast doubt on far more credible claims. You think Pacquiao's surgery was fake in some way? If you do then this is crazy, it really is. Pacquiao shouldn't have went through with the fight, he deserves a ****load of criticism for it but that is where the criticism should be made not these silly conspiracy theories.

Dunn believed Pac shoulder injury was fake even with a well documented surgery.

But he believed Floyd was randomly drug tested by USADA even without video evidence of it.

Just like Webb

Floyd fan logic at its best.

[Robbie Barrett]

Of course we do, there's a paper trail of evidence he was diagnosed with a tear as we now know the hospital he went and who gave him surgery after the fight, which is actually Kobe Bryant's doctor as well.

If you are educated enough you'll know no one in their right mind will commit fraud as a medical practitioner for a sake of a boxer. Doctors profession is a very lucrative and respected job that they won't even dare risk losing it and go to jail for medical malpractice. It is you guys who are dumb enough and who will tell everyone with a straight face that all the facts thrown at you and heard are false. You still couldn't believe Floyd had a hard time with a one armed man.

You're one of the people saying USADA, NSAC, Bayless, Judges etc were in Mayweathers pocket. Don't accuse people of making dumb accusations when you're a master of it.

[Spoon23]

The entire fight was a scam from the moment it was signed. It was already 5 years overdo and can only be made worse by either fighter not at his best.

Especially the aggressor fighter who isn't at his best, it really gives him zero opportunity to do what he does best...

But with that said, it won't take away the fact that Pac's feet weren't on point and he wasn't moving the way we all thought he would or should have. Not sure what the excuse was for that as the socks one was already used in 04... lol

The whole dynamics of how he fights changes with only one effective hand. Even if he had good feet. What he want to do or perform with only one hand made him limited and prevent him and executing his moves.

Put it this way, a basketball player can do a layup with the left and right hand. If his left was injured. He cans still run and be agile, but he is left to move from the right to do only a right hand layup shot coz he becomes limited and that actually changes the dynamics of how the player plays ball.

Imagine a soccer player with one good leg. Even if he is very talented, he loses a lot of his moves and prevents him from performing great. That soccer player becomes limited.

To those who say, wtf he still uses his right hand during the fight. Yeah he did, doesn't mean it has the right pop or sting it used to deliver. And the fact Pac was hurting even affects his ring focus coz he have to block out the pain while he is fighting.

The fact his normal punch stats was way below his normal, tells us he really was nursing a shoulder pain throughout the fight, and his right punches didn't have the zing or pop it normally should have had.

To some Pac should have postponed the fight. The thing is 5 years he has been chasing Floyd and to give Floyd an out or a excuse for this fight not to happen wasn't an option Pac is willing to take.

And besides, 3 weeks before he was diagnosed with severe rotator cuff tear, the doctor advised surgery. So if he was to under go surgery, he will have to postpone a Floyd fight for at least 1 year. I don't think boxing fans will like that much wait when it's been 5 years of struggle already. It's not like it was a 1 or 2 month postponement. Surgery was needed. It will take a year. Pac was left to manup with all the circumstances that was in front of him.

The world was watching. Tickets were sold, celebrity booked there flights. Networks from around the world have close the deals for satellite coverage. There was no one stopping this train. Pac had no choice but to manup.