Putting Golovkin's name in the same sentence with Mayweather is an insult to boxing

[The Big Dunn]

HBO has been talking about a Ward-GGG fight, but I clearly see why they are waiting. All parties concerned have an incentive to wait from all that I've heard since it has the potential to be a big fight if both guys can continue to win and build their fan bases. It isn't as if GGG's team or Ward's team haven't talked about it on a few different occasions.

Maybe GGG would KO Floyd, but I can't say that's why I want it per se (the threat of his power certainly comes into it though). I'm simply of the opinion that he poses the biggest challenge to Floyd that is a somewhat realistic possibility given that he just fought a guy who is roughly the same size in terms of weight. It probably won't happen, but I still think it would be an interesting fight. I also understand why Floyd wouldn't take it. It's not as if it would diminish Floyd's previous accomplishments in anyway.

Respectfully, go back to the fight game and the stevenson fight. Lampley downplays GGG v ward, even saying its not a good fight right now. We agree, HBO wants it down the road when its bigger.Thats why they and there corporate partners keep the GGG floyd talk going.

If you think GGG is floyd's toughest challenge and thats why you want the fight cool, that is reasonable.

You understand why floyd won't take the fight? what do you mean? DO you mean because GGG is a threat to beat him? Or do you mean because of floyd's deal with showtime and HBO's deal with GGG?

[twosweethooks]

All Golovkin has is his untested power. He's only beaten these faded contenders coming off of losses and he is 31 years old. Other power punchers like Maidana, Matthysse, Ortiz, Thurman, Berto, Quillin, and Angulo have all fought a number of former world champions. Golovkin's only experience with a world champ was Kasim Ouma? I understand that BS about other title holders not giving him a shot, but for Fck sakes he can still fight a former world champ. If he's this killer that people are making him out to be then why doesn't he fight a former world champ at 168 or drop down to 154 and fight one there? There's a difference between fighting a former world champ and a faded contender. Former world champs are usually great at exposing flaws and pulling veteran moves that make it uncomfortable for up and comers. I actually put Keith Thurman above Golovkin. At least Thurman has beaten the likes of Quintana and Zaveck. It's an insult that Golovkin is mentioned in the same sentence as Floyd. That guy has done nothing to deserve a fight with Mayweather. He's just hunting down contenders that have been stopped before to make his power seem unbelievable. This Stevens guy he's fighting is a nobody as well and he's not even world class. Step it up Golovkin....

You ought to be ashamed to write such stuff as this.

Don't you remember what Lou Dibella said after the Mack fight ???

something like Sergio Martinez ain't getting in there with this monster right now

You evidently don't have an eye for fighters

Hey, I know, Jr can fight this guy GGG for his MW title that can't hurt nobody and walk out da ring with a MW champeenship

HURRAH FOR JR !!!!!!!

[twosweethooks]

Macklin was stopped by Martinez late so that's not legit. Maybe if Golovkin had the balls to fight a 168 pounder while he's waiting then ppl would respect him more? You know since he has all that power lol.

After GGG KO's this curtis guy, he should fight Sergio Martinez and take the lineal title

Then JR can come for Glory and add the lineal MW title to his creds after all GGG can't hurt nobody

[Boxing Goat]

Floyd doesn't take risky fights. It would ruin his unbeaten record real fast.

In fairness, before the Canelo fight, I thought he was a minor threat.

Afterward, it was clear he was way too green at 23 years old.

Golovkin would make Mayweather work extremely hard to pull off that win in my opinion.

[TheRealOneShot]

You ought to be ashamed to write such stuff as this.

Don't you remember what Lou Dibella said after the Mack fight ???

something like Sergio Martinez ain't getting in there with this monster right now

You evidently don't have an eye for fighters

Hey, I know, Jr can fight this guy GGG for his MW title that can't hurt nobody and walk out da ring with a MW champeenship

HURRAH FOR JR !!!!!!!

What about Manny vs Golovkin?

[TheRealOneShot]

fighters move up as they age.

Just say you don't like black fighters

[JPsol]

so you're trying to compare guerrero to golovkin? why?

mayweather fought Guerrero at welterweight. golovkin has never campaigned at jr. middle let alone welterweight. so to you, fighting guerrero is proof enough that mayweather should fight golovkin? let me ask you this. what wins did golovkin ring up at jr middle that would put him on notice for a mayweather fight? none.........in fact he's barely fought anyone in his own division.


"I just don't see how guerrero was/is particularly more deserving of a shot against Floyd than GGG"

dude, because he's actually campaigning at welterweight & he has a better record then ggg's best win in macklin. you're arguing around in circles........

also. trout ****s all over any win that ggg has. what exactly did proska do? get schooled by a faded sergio mora? thats ggg's 2nd best win. what did macklin do apart from getting ko'd against martinez & golovkin? his best win is against a shot sturm...........how is this enough to warrant a mayweather showdown? & read what i said closely...........i said that trout is a better win then anything on ggg's record (thats the truth) you can spin it how ever you want.

and i really don't care how much a fighter gains on fight night...........just as long he's fighting at the weight. golovkin has never fought below middleweight so you can't compare that to guys like canelo who's fought at weltwerweight & jr. middleweight their entire career. thats just remedial man & it's a whole new meaning of "reaching"

also let me tell you something about the "eye" test........ golovkin: i don't see a guy with high technique, skill, any of that. lucas mythsse all over again in the sense that a lot of feelings are gonna get hurt. ggg is a fighter with a lot power, good jab (but doesn't use the jab enough) & he's decent with cutting the ring off. the downside. he doesn't move his head, he's slow, his foot work is slow & if he can't get off his power on you he can be smothered, outworked, & made to look very average & sloppy. people are talking about andre ward vs golovkin.......thats a suicide. golovkin would get picked apart & knocked smooth out of the ring & that would be the end. horrible style match up. but getting back to the eye test........A eye test is just a opinion because i may see things in golovkin that you don't........anything good that you may think you see in a "eye test" is meaningless without the resume to back it. you gotta do those things against high quality opponents (then it actually counts for something)



it seems that you don't want to talk realty.......if you want ggg to fight floyd he's gonna have to campaign at 154. he campaigns at the weight and gets a trout or a cotto & he's on notice (but he doesn't want to actually put in the work at 154 because he doesn't want to drain himself) anyone is willing to drain themselves in one mayweather fight because they know it will be their highest pay day. but thats not how it works.......for a guy like ggg to get A mayweather fight he's gonna have to really do some work at 154 because he lacks a fan base & a name. he also has a very weak record at 31 years old (these are his problems) it's a joke to talk about mayweather canelo or cotto. if he wants these kinda fights he needs to immediately move down but he refuses to do that..........so my solution? move up. no one wants to see you try & clean out a crap division if you only have 5 years left in the sport........

I'm sorry, but I phrased it poorly. What I meant to say was that Guerrero isn't significantly (used 'particularly' which isn't as clear) more deserving than GGG in terms of the challenge he poses to Floyd (I've never denied GGG's size plays a part though) or even from the standpoint of his pro resume. You have yet to really establish why solid (not dominant) wins over Aydin and Berto are far more impressive than GGG's destruction of Macklin or his thrashing of Rosado (you seem to be really down on the guy, but he has clearly improved over time and looks to be decent enough). If your main argument is just that he was a WW then that's fine and certainly an acceptable response, but it really doesn't demonstrate Guerrero's superiority as a boxer. Guerrero may very well have a better pro resume, but I will continue to maintain that it isn't like it was/is far better than GGG's.

If you're going to call into question GGG's accomplishments at MW then I think you should do the same for Trout and Canelo at JMW. You can continue to talk about Rodriguez like he was some good win for Trout, but you have yet to demonstrate what Trout and Canelo had really proven at 154. A lot of what I've seen you touting is essentially their ability to beat guys they have size (and youth) advantages over. IMO, they are still relatively unproven against other top contenders at the weight. This isn't to say they are bad fighters, but again they certainly don't have pro resumes that are far better than GGG's.

Do you think Ortiz (came into fight night at 164 against Floyd) had proven much more than GGG and is clearly the better fighter?

I think you should care about the guys ballooning up 15-20 pounds in weight (in fairness to Canelo he has been growing fast, so it is a bit more understandable) the day of the fight because they are the ones effectively making a mockery of the weight divisions. Not only is it potentially dangerous for the rehydrating fighter, but also for their opponents because they will be at a significant physical (and often power) disadvantage. Not everyone is as skilled as Floyd and can effectively neutralize those advantages. Also, if GGG moves down is there any guarantee he gets Canelo or other top guys to bite given his difficulties to get guys at MW to do so? I also think it's worse when guys try to consistently have a size advantage over their opponents by competing in a division they don't really belong in then it is when guys in a higher weight class offers to meet a skilled smaller fighter at a weight class in the middle or at a catchweight.

GGG clearly still has a lot to prove, but I don't think it is ridiculous to put his name in the same sentence as Floyd's. It's highly unlikely they will ever fight, but nothing you have said has changed my mind about the desirability of a bout between the two at 154 or maybe even 152.

You could be right about GGG-Ward, although I don't see it being as big of a mismatch as you do. I favor Ward to win though. You're welcome to disagree with my assessment of GGG's skills, but I'm just trying to let you know what many fans, commentators, and writers see in GGG that gets them exciting. Some of them have also looked to his amateur bouts as well to give insight into his skills, which you think has no bearing. I've always thought his boxing skills were superior to Matthysse's and that his defense is underrated. This isn't to suggest he has the athleticism to pull off a Mayweather, Ward, or Rigondeaux style defense, but I do think it's better than you make it seem. Sometimes it seems GGG will start to get a bit more irresponsible when he realizes an opponent can't really hurt him, but I think GGG adapts well (this is where his amateur experience comes in) to what a fighter is doing or giving him.

Again, you've already got my thoughts on GGG's (increasingly likely) move up to 168 and the reasons why his pro record/resume is relatively poor at 31, so there isn't much reason to go over it again. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. I think GGG will definitely prove his worth in the pros within the next few years. My only concern is the size disadvantage he'll likely face, but I have faith he'll still be a force to be reckoned (maybe not with as much power though)) with if he fights guys at 168.

[JPsol]

Respectfully, go back to the fight game and the stevenson fight. Lampley downplays GGG v ward, even saying its not a good fight right now. We agree, HBO wants it down the road when its bigger.Thats why they and there corporate partners keep the GGG floyd talk going.

If you think GGG is floyd's toughest challenge and thats why you want the fight cool, that is reasonable.

You understand why floyd won't take the fight? what do you mean? DO you mean because GGG is a threat to beat him? Or do you mean because of floyd's deal with showtime and HBO's deal with GGG?

Yes, I just think GGG would be Floyd's toughest challenge in the near future. If he doesn't fight him though I won't think he is ducking him or anything. I don't particularly want to watch Floyd in drama-free fights against WWs. This isn't to say I'm not interested in seeing a Pacquiao fight or a Thurman fight down the line, but otherwise it's likely not going to be all that compelling.

I think it's a a combination of the two, although I'd be more inclined to say that GGG's relatively small fan base as well as his HBO deal are the biggest roadblocks. However, I do think the skills and power that GGG possesses at his size would make Floyd somewhat hesitant. It would be a high risk/low reward (in terms of money) fight for Floyd.

[The Big Dunn]

Yes, I just think GGG would be Floyd's toughest challenge in the near future. If he doesn't fight him though I won't think he is ducking him or anything. I don't particularly want to watch Floyd in drama-free fights against WWs. This isn't to say I'm not interested in seeing a Pacquiao fight or a Thurman fight down the line, but otherwise it's likely not going to be all that compelling.

I think it's a a combination of the two, although I'd be more inclined to say that GGG's relatively small fan base as well as his HBO deal are the biggest roadblocks. However, I do think the skills and power that GGG possesses at his size would make Floyd somewhat hesitant. It would be a high risk/low reward (in terms of money) fight for Floyd.

we can agree on high risk/low finacial reward. I can understand not wanting to have to pay to see floyd put on a virtual sparring session sans headgear. I dont know why his skills and power would make floyd hesitant.

If the threat of floyd losing by KO is the only selling point for some than so be it. It's odd to think floyd has reached a point where the only fights some boxing fans want is him in with a much larger fighter with power.

Have we as fans ever placed this limitation on any fighter in history?

[JPsol]

we can agree on high risk/low finacial reward. I can understand not wanting to have to pay to see floyd put on a virtual sparring session sans headgear. I dont know why his skills and power would make floyd hesitant.

If the threat of floyd losing by KO is the only selling point for some than so be it. It's odd to think floyd has reached a point where the only fights some boxing fans want is him in with a much larger fighter with power.

Have we as fans ever placed this limitation on any fighter in history?

I think some of it is that boxing used to be much more popular and attracted a greater share of high quality athletes as a result. Floyd melds athleticism with great boxing skills. This is looks to be something of a rarity today regardless of the weight class. I could be wrong, but I think that is part of the reason why Floyd has been so dominant and stands out from others.