Comments Thread For: Froch Feels Only Lennox Lewis, Not Calzaghe, Tops Legacy

[wazaa.]

Froch already surpassed Joke Cazlaghe after he had completed the Super Six.

[$Bullsfam$]

I don't think people should be too bothered by Froch's arrogance. His self-belief is what makes him who he is as a fighter. It's why he can continue coming forward without hesitating even when taking heavy shots. It's what makes him willing to fight so many tough challenges. It's what won him the fights with Pascal and Taylor and benefitted him in several other fights.

I'd rather a guy overrate himself and as a result take the toughest fights and give it his all than have self-doubt and cherry-pick opponents and then refuse to take any risks against even them.

Too many UK fighters have been content to be a big fish in a small pond. Froch isn't perfect, but he has a lot of the qualities that UK fighters usually lack. Whether he rematches Ward, Kessler again or fights somebody else, by the time he retires people won't be looking back and wondering "what if?", because he took all the risks and asked all the questions of himself that were there to be asked.

Exactly and I think thats what makes him special. The biggest knock against UK fighters is they have no chin and cherry pick. Froch has one of the best chins in boxing and fought everybody their was to fight around his weight.

I wouldn't go around calling him an ATG or anything close to that but more like Cotto where both were tough and fought all the big names, gave us memorable fights and deserve to one day be in the hall of fame.

Froch already surpassed Joke Cazlaghe after he had completed the Super Six.

hahaha true.

[slimshandy69]

Nah, Benn was a brawler. It would have been a great fight though.

Eubank would've shown Froch up.

eubank lost to calzaghe at age 30. He robbed a number of b level fighters.

No way would eubank beat froch...

[IronDanHamza]

Sorry Mr.Froch but you're not even top 10, probably past 20.

I'd love to see these 20 fighters from the UK who are ahead of Froch.

I'd love to see 10 actually.

[Apple Mac Stud]

Sorry froch but prince Naseem was far more exciting.

Froch is too full of himself. He's really tooting his own horn as they say. I can't wait for Ward to box his ears off in the rematch.

[D-MiZe]

I'd love to see these 20 fighters from the UK who are ahead of Froch.

I'd love to see 10 actually.

It's going to be a while, it'll be a mission trying to detail an all time British P4P list, hopefully make a start tomorrow on it.

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I'd love to see these 20 fighters from the UK who are ahead of Froch.

I'd love to see 10 actually.

im gonna instigate :weed5:

Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Wilde
Howard Winstone
Ken Buchanan
John Conteh
Ted Kid Lewis
Freddie Welsh
Benny Lynch
Jim Driscoll
Lloyd Honeyghan
Bob Fitzsimmons


I'm excluding a good 20 odd fighters that would sit in Froch's tier and compete with him for positions. But I don't have a British top 100 list yet to reference from.

[IronDanHamza]

Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Wilde
Howard Winstone
Ken Buchanan
John Conteh
Ted Kid Lewis
Freddie Welsh
Benny Lynch
Jim Driscoll
Lloyd Honeyghan
Bob Fitzsimmons


I'm excluding a good 20 odd fighters that would sit in Froch's tier and compete with him for positions. But I don't have a British top 100 list yet to reference from.

Tell me more about how John Conteh is ahead of Froch.

Then you can go right ahead into Howard Winstone. I'm very very eager to see that breakdown.

The rest I can agree with although I don't think I'd rank Lloyd Honeyghan over Carl Froch.

[slimshandy69]

As for modern Brits who come to mind, at least Eubank, Benn, Calzaghe, Hamed and Hatton all rank higher than Froch legacy wise thus far IMO. The latter three were all the lineal champion of their respective division at some point in their careers and only lost to the very highest calibre of fighter (or not at all in Joe's case).

Froch was a round away from losing to a shot Jermain Taylor, lost to Andre Dirrell, lost to Kessler, had a close fight with a past-it Glen Johnson and lost comprehensively to Ward. The Bute win redeemed him and seemingly reinvigorated his career.

He's a good fighter for sure and one that I honestly feel has overachieved, which is a testament to his grit and intestinal fortitude more than anything. He does tend to get a bit overrated on here though IMO, perhaps owing mainly to his admirable desire to face the best time and again, win, lose or draw.

froch beat a younger Jermaine taylor 10-7 in the final round even if he didn't get knock out, he was going in the 12th on split decision, so you are wrong.

dirrell got outlanded by froch according to the punch stats and bloodied dirrells face while froch was unmarked, hence why the press row and all the top pundits scored it to froch.

Ward only beat froch by 2 rounds and the same margins in both froch Kessler fights, which are considered close.

you are a woeful poster.

[D-MiZe]

I'm kind of swaying around in terms of criteria for said list.

Winstone & Conteh are greater fighters than Froch although his resume is better than theirs. Conteh was one of the more talented British fighters, beat Yaqui Lopez with one hand and arguably Saad Muhammad, again one handed. I guess he's more of a what if kinda fighter.

I rate Winstone highly for his trilogy with Saldivar, although he lost all 3 he definitely proved himself as a worthy challenger and in any other era...

Honestly haven't delved deep enough into either man's resume to build a really accurate picture of their rankings. That isn't a list either, just names thrown together and Froch could probably share the company of Winstone & Conteh, Honeyghan too - but the rest...