Why isn't Pac fighting Bradley at his strongest/most proven weight (140)?

[brick wall]

147 is like the 10th weight category that pac has moved up...it's 2nd for bradley. don't know how bradley can be at a disadvantage here?

they're both titleholder but pac is the much bigger star, it's all but right that they have to fight for his title rather than pac as the challenger.

[AntDawg]

Wouldn't fighting at 147 help Bradley...He seems to be bigger than Pacquiao anyways. Heck Marquez was bigger than Pacquiao lol.

[BoxingGenius27]

Yea, I understand your point to me Manny is the superior fighter, he can't help being more powerful or just out and out better than Bradley. If two guys are close to the same size and one is more powerful, them the breaks sucks for the less powerful guy, he better hope he can handle it or in some other way do something about it.

JMM is a special case, but people before that fight were saying JMM wouldn't be able to handle Manny specifically because of weight class. Weight class played no part, I think Manny will do better against Bradley because he is just the superior man not because the fight took place at 147 instead of 140.

I agree.

Regarding the JMM-Pac 3 fight, I was one who thought that would be an easy blow out win for Pac.

I thought Pac would beat him because of the weight and based off the fact that JMM was dropped by Katsidis and Diaz.

All in all, that was just a weird fight for me that made no sense at all. I thought JMM would be a sitting duck that wouldn't be able to move and get out of the way and be in line for power shots all night. I was wrong; that was just a weird fight that made no sense lol

Looking back in retrospect, I guess JMM learned so much from the first 2 fights, that size, speed and power really didn't matter. If you have someone's number, you have their number regardless of the disadvantages.

A lot of people like to say "well if JMM did it, so can Bradley". Well, Bradley doesn't have 24 round of experience with Pac either. JMM was dropped 4 times in the first 24 rounds of fighting Pac. If Bradley had that type of experience against Pac, I would agree that Bradley can match up with Pac; but he doesn't. That's why I don't think it will be close.

But who knows, I could be wrong again; maybe the 7 pounds won't matter in this fight. If Bradley comes in to the fight with speed, agility and patience, anything can happen. But I seriously doubt that will be the case. I just think Pac is the stronger fighter at 147 and 140, but I think Bradley has a better shot at 140 even though they're the same size, if that makes sense.

[Yogi007]

lol the weight actually benefits bradley....he's the one who walks around in the 160s

This I agree with. I know that I read that Bradley fought at 154 in the amateurs, then they took him down to 140 in the pros. Basically he is a naturally a bigger guy and they drained him so he can beat up on the little guys. Right now he can do this, but I don't see Bradley having to many fights at 140 before he can't make it anymore.

[Reloaded]

I'd prefer to see Pac fight Bradley and Floyd at 140, but since Floyd couldn't even make 144, that's highly unlikely. So hanging around at 147 while he waits for Floyd to grow a pair seems reasonable.

Where is the logic , Floyd went to 154 because he could not get Pac , and Pac wanted Cotto with a CW and Floyd took the fight Pac ducked , and while hanging around 147 waiting for Floyd as you say , Pac fights a LW and then a JWW , he dont fight WWs .

Something very sinister about the way Pac manipulates the weight and who he fights each and every time , this fight is Arums wanted fight Pac initially wanted a drained Cotto again , this fight was promised to Tim on signing with Top Rank , thats why no Khan for Tim , he was already promised Pac .

Tim was not going to 147 any time soon , he was ordered to by Arum or no fight , just like Arum ordered Cotto to 145 or no fight , Cotto leaves Arum and its no CW with Floyd .

But at least with Tim he wont be weight drained and as JMM showed it wont hurt him much being heavier and Manny still is only taking shots of a light punching JWW not a full fledged WW like Ortiz or Berto , Pac would not fight them without a CW .

[Reloaded]

Bradley called him out at 147. He is challenging for the title at 147. Why is this a problem?

Because he was already in talks with Arum and was already promised the fight Arum told him its at 147 or not on .

What did you think when Guerrero called out Floyd at 147 , that gee Guerrero is now a top WW because he called him out at 147 , Tim is a JWW , doesnt matter what he walks around at and he walked around higher leading into this camp than any other fight , he started gaining weight the moment he knew he was on .

In fight trim which is what matters , Pac is taller , Pac has bigger physical dimensions , just slightly but Pac is bigger not smaller than Bradley .

[straightleft]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but a fighter that puts on weight and is bloated and doesn't have the same power he would normally have due to bone structure is at just as much of a disadvantage as someone being weight drained, imo.






When you compare him to HOF'ers who made their name at 147, of course he's not a beast. If you put it like that, damn near no ones a beast.

We're talking about comparing Manny to average 147 lb'ers.

If you take an OST-free Manny and look at who he's dropped and stopped at 147, you would know that he hits pretty hard. I know some will say he fought a bunch of over the hill guys at 147, but I still think that his speed combined with his power makes him very dangerous.

LOL. Really it didnt come in your mind that Bradley can normally train like his next fight is at 140? Then in this way there is no need for him to cut down some weight during weigh inbut most probably he still heavier than Pac comes fight night. You talk like Pac will come like 15 lbs heavier after he weighed in at 147 exactly.

[The Gambler1981]

I agree.

Regarding the JMM-Pac 3 fight, I was one who thought that would be an easy blow out win for Pac.

I thought Pac would beat him because of the weight and based off the fact that JMM was dropped by Katsidis and Diaz.

All in all, that was just a weird fight for me that made no sense at all. I thought JMM would be a sitting duck that wouldn't be able to move and get out of the way and be in line for power shots all night. I was wrong; that was just a weird fight that made no sense lol

Looking back in retrospect, I guess JMM learned so much from the first 2 fights, that size, speed and power really didn't matter. If you have someone's number, you have their number regardless of the disadvantages.

A lot of people like to say "well if JMM did it, so can Bradley". Well, Bradley doesn't have 24 round of experience with Pac either. JMM was dropped 4 times in the first 24 rounds of fighting Pac. If Bradley had that type of experience against Pac, I would agree that Bradley can match up with Pac; but he doesn't. That's why I don't think it will be close.

But who knows, I could be wrong again; maybe the 7 pounds won't matter in this fight. If Bradley comes in to the fight with speed, agility and patience, anything can happen. But I seriously doubt that will be the case. I just think Pac is the stronger fighter at 147 and 140, but I think Bradley has a better shot at 140 even though they're the same size, if that makes sense.

I agree because I don't think Bradley can win, possibly make it close if he is really willling to make the fight ugly but I don't think he will ge the benefit of the doubt even if it is tough to score. The more action in the fight the worse off Bradley will be IMO. Could be wrong but I don't give Bradley any more than the lowest chance I ever give a guy (that I know doesn't have some serious issue) 10%.


I just don't put much stock in the weight class meaning much for this fight though.

[Larry the boss]

cause Bradley moved up to 147 to fight Manny and claims he will be better there

[BoxingGenius27]

Wouldn't fighting at 147 help Bradley...He seems to be bigger than Pacquiao anyways. Heck Marquez was bigger than Pacquiao lol.

147 is like the 10th weight category that pac has moved up...it's 2nd for bradley. don't know how bradley can be at a disadvantage here?

they're both titleholder but pac is the much bigger star, it's all but right that they have to fight for his title rather than pac as the challenger.

If they fought at 140lb, Bradley would have to cut more weight than Manny to reach that weight, so how in the world is Bradley at a disadvantage.

Also, what does Manny have to gain by fighting Bradley at 140lbs.

I hate when people ask ****** @ss questions like the TS in this thread.

While were at it, since Bradley walks around at 160lb plus......why doesn't Manny fight him at MW?

Let's look at Bradley's accomplishments at 140:

1. Peterson
2. Holt
3. Witter
4. Alexander

Let's look at Bradley's accomplishments at 147:

1. Abregu

To those saying Bradley would benefit fighting at 147, show me an article that says Bradley can't make weight like Chavez Jr couldn't make weight. I'll gladly wait.

Except for Heavyweights, almost all boxers cut weight at some point. Wouldn't it be beneficial for all fighters that cut weight to fight at their natural walking around weight? Of course not, so why would it all of a sudden be so beneficial for Bradley?

Anyway, the point is Bradley built his entire career off accomplishments at 140, not 147. Since Pac and Bradley are the same physical size, I didn't see a reason why they couldn't have met at a weight both fighters are proven at (140); that was before I heard guys in this thread suggesting people should fight at their "walk around weight" that is.

Like I said before, if Bradley tried to get this fight at 140, but Team Pac only allowed 147, I have a problem with that; being that Bradley has several solid wins at 140 and 1 descent win at 147. What's wrong with seeing it like that?

On the other hand, if Bradley had absolutely no problem with fightting Pac at 147 because he's trying to get paid, not because Team Pac made 147 the sole option, then by all means, they should fight at 147.

I just wanted to make sure this fight wasn't adding on to the historic trend Team Pac has had at fighting people at their not so strong weight (i.e Cotto, Margarito, and asking Shane to fight at 142 lb's after his victory over Margarito). Is this not a valid question?